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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by moralestapia »

Animats wrote: post #399

Nice hardware. They're down to swim goggle size. Then you see what Facebook wants you to do with it - see screens in front of you all the time. One with Facebook's "Recommended" page, and a video of some talking neckbeard. There's a feeling of "we were promised virtual reality, and all we got was talking heads of influencers." The hardware apparently has GPS, but that's turned off. So, no Pokemon Go yet. Not even Hyp…

Even if it turns out that the only application of this is to show ads (which will not be the case), the hardware alone is a monumental achievement of engineering.

I would love to see ads on these, at least once. In contrast, I've never had any interest to even try Apple's VR headset. This is one of the most well-put v1 products ever.

Avoid the MKDBHC trap (or however it's spelled). Innovation beats cynicism, every day.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by 65 »

Pretty cool.

But I'm interested to see when they release these - how non-tech people will react. Anecdotally it seems computer/internet based technology is increasingly becoming more rejected by regular people. It seems people are so sick of the internet and screens that the idea of a new screen would be so nauseating figuratively and literally that wide adoption would be unlikely. As in - these big consumer facing tech companies like Meta have created addictive software, to the point where people don't even want to use their software but feel an impulse to or have nothing better to do because we have created a world in which screens are a way of life. Surely there must be a limit to the amount of digital drugs someone can take before they become sick.

I'm not very bullish on new internet based consumer technology. Technology in other areas like transportation, energy, and manufacturing seem to be the way the next billionaires will make their money. I wonder how long the screen based social experiment will last before either societal upheaval or a mass rejection of new technology.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by moralestapia »

alexfromapex wrote: post #408
Animats wrote: post #399

Nice hardware. They're down to swim goggle size. Then you see what Facebook wants you to do with it - see screens in front of you all the time. One with Facebook's "Recommended" page, and a video of some talking neckbeard. There's a feeling of "we were promised virtual reality, and all we got was talking heads of influencers." The hardware apparently has GPS, but that's turned off. So, no Pokemon Go yet. Not even Hyp…

It's so sad they felt okay with unveiling these with the horrible aesthetics and no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy.

>no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy

Elaborate. Do you mean this with regards to the data that users will generate when using the device? Or the privacy of the people around the wearer?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by zmmmmm »

Twirrim wrote: post #12

I know it's a prototype, but yikes those are large and goofy looking. Reminds me of the old 80's NHS glasses in the UK (which you could get for free if you couldn't afford otherwise). Or for those of you old enough, Brains from the old Supermarionation versions of the Thunderbird show ( https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article8451975.ec... )

I was an early adopter of the Galaxy Note which looked outlandishly large and goofy, back when people still spoke in awe of how Jobs made the 3.5" iPhone to fit the human hand naturally and no other form factor could possibly be right.

Fast forward today and nearly every phone looks like a galaxy note. Turns out when the utility is there, people will adapt.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by zmmmmm »

beart wrote: post #459
zmmmmm wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

heh ... i'm frustrated that the schools my kids are going to aren't embracing this tech. the applications in education are absolutely mind blowing.

I was under the impression VR is really bad for kids eyes.

If you put kids in them 8 hours a day, it would be a concern (although I don't think there is substantive evidence either way yet). I think there's a safe middle ground where using something like this for up to couple of hours in a day at most is very unlikely to have any significant effect. It's just not enough fraction of the time to cause a major impact, especially older kids (teens).

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by dyauspitr »

ang_cire wrote: post #85

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

I mean in the full dystopian setting, it’s always doing facial recognition and labeling everyone you see with names, profiles, credit score etc. It could do a little more digging and tell you exactly what a person would respond to while making a sale, what they’re worried about, what they deeply care about etc. Information like that, person to person would change society.

Has anyone made a tool for that yet? Maybe use llama, provide all of a person’s online profiles as context and ask it to determine the persons fears, weaknesses etc.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by vunderba »

ang_cire wrote: post #85

This is cool from a technical standpoint, but ultimately just feels like another gimmick. This feels like it's doing stuff that I could do faster or better (and definitely, more safely) on a computer or phone. I don't personally see the appeal of hands-free as a paradigm in most cases. Do we really want people talking on and looking at Zoom as they walk around the office? Or as they drive? Or as they are out shopping…

Because you're thinking of the possibilities from a very narrow angle (communication, passive media consumption, and productivity).

The educational potential for AR is absolutely incredible. Imagine being able to look down at a breadboard, and have it overlay explanations, diagrams, current flows, etc.

Imagine putting a person in front of you who is juggling (mills mess, box pattern, etc) and slowing it down to exactly see how to learn it.

Imagine being able to practice drawing by putting a model of any human in the center of your room, and walk around it as you sketch on actual canvas.

Imagine being able to head to the nearest open soccer field, and throw down a bunch of ninjas throwing ninja stars at you, and you have to physically duck and weave while running full tilt down the field.

These took me 10 seconds to think of a bunch of things that I would personally want assuming the AR glasses can eventually overcome bright light, good battery life, etc.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by zmmmmm »

bryan0 wrote: post #365

While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

People are generally assuming Apple is also developing these internally. They just don't show off their tech until it is ready. But I would love to know where they are in comparison with respect to weight, size and field of view. I know it is not obvious unless you are very in the scene, but 70 degrees field of view here in this form factor is a massive breakthrough. Most similar glasses are struggling to do 45 degrees.
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