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How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #437
wrsh07 wrote: post #374

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ignoring the ethics of Mr Beast, he is producing real videos at an incredibly high volume and they consistently do numbers. None of those videos is easy to make. Sure, it's maybe not great to be so impressed by logistics or supply chain of a tobacco company, but from a business and systems view some of it is interesting

I would be genuinely curious to hear: in your mind, could any system be interesting to you, no matter its ethical basis? Or is there a line, and if so, what is the line to you?

Why I can't separate learning about a topic and finding the knowledge interesting vs. its value judgement against my worldview?

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by nine_k »

johnfn wrote: post #454
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. I genuinely do not know what you're trying to say here. For funsies, I tossed this into Claude 3.5 Sonnet with the prompt "Translate this into 7th g…

I think OP is saying: * He thinks most people dislike Mr. Beast, his company, and think he's popular only due to luck. * He thinks this document makes good points, but that most people won't be able to see them due to what they believe about Mr. Beast prior to reading it.

Most people find it incredibly annoying when somebody they don't like makes a good point. Often they would rather reject the good point to avoid agreeing with the despicable author if it. They value long-term group identity / loyalty higher than any particular good point [1].

For instance, much of the initial research into the harms of smoking was done in Germany in Nazi times. While the results were largely correct (and later confirmed elsewhere), it was much easier for tobacco proponents to contest or reject them on the grounds of the Nazi Germany origins.

[1]: https://davidsamson.substack.com/p/tribaltheory-002-tribalis...

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by christianqchung »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #443
shalmanese wrote: post #217

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. He's making low value content/the culture of the company is horrible/he's a fraud/it's more luck than skill. The actual critiques are personalized t…

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. I genuinely do not know what you're trying to say here. For funsies, I tossed this into Claude 3.5 Sonnet with the prompt "Translate this into 7th g…

GP's post is also the top voted post, and most of it is complaining about downvotes and criticism which don't exist yet on his hypothetically valuable summary. If there's anything distressing about HN culture, it's this being an acceptable comment type period.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by slt2021 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #182
zulban wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The guy has earned a net worth of maybe $700 million starting with YouTube. Saying it's all a bunch of contrived bullshit hides the fact the he is obviously brilliantly talented and dedicated at making a business from YouTube. If you or others blow off a document he wrote or an interview he gives because most of his videos are "just" gaming an algorithm then you must not be a very curious person. I don't like coffee…

His comment has merit. The Beast business is fundamentally at the mercy of YouTube, the algorithm and their business priorities. In fact Beast's intentional focus on making the best YouTube videos highlights this. Beast is a high-touch content farm, but ultimately still a content farm and vulnerable to the exact same risks as any other one.

MrBeast is working on other platforms (tiktok twitch etc) and is working towards diversifying. It is arrogant and lowiq to dismiss what MrBest and his team ahve achieved as "learned to game the yt algorithm"

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by kloop »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #443
shalmanese wrote: post #217

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. He's making low value content/the culture of the company is horrible/he's a fraud/it's more luck than skill. The actual critiques are personalized t…

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. I genuinely do not know what you're trying to say here. For funsies, I tossed this into Claude 3.5 Sonnet with the prompt "Translate this into 7th g…

They're talking about Bayesian priors. Basically prior assumptions about the likelihood of a subject.

It's a common phrase in the ratsphere (and its descendants).

Changing your mind is one outcome, but the implication is that it requires a complete reexamining of your worldview, as changing the internalized probabilities can have many effects on perceived likely outcomes.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by ajkjk »

shalmanese wrote: post #217

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. He's making low value content/the culture of the company is horrible/he's a fraud/it's more luck than skill. The actual critiques are personalized t…

Strongly agree.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by nfw2 »

christianqchung wrote: post #463
aaronbrethorst wrote: post #443

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One distressing trend I've noticed becoming ubiquitous on HN is that any writing that is confronting to a consensus worldview becomes flooded with highly upvoted comments that are, in essence, excuses for why it's not necessary in this instance to re-examine your priors. I genuinely do not know what you're trying to say here. For funsies, I tossed this into Claude 3.5 Sonnet with the prompt "Translate this into 7th g…

GP's post is also the top voted post, and most of it is complaining about downvotes and criticism which don't exist yet on his hypothetically valuable summary. If there's anything distressing about HN culture, it's this being an acceptable comment type period.

Agreed. This sort of posting is against the HN community guidelines:

- don’t sneer at the rest of the community

- don’t comment about the upvoting of comments

- don’t say hacker news is turning into Reddit (not explicitly the case here, but similar in spirit)

Yeah, some responses will be less thoughtful than others, but that’s what voting is for.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by naming_the_user »

pembrook wrote: post #365
mihaic wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you considered that the sour grapes attitude actually comes from an understanding of the world, and how everything has been turned only into profit maximization? And that the nitpicking is merely a failure to express that understanding of the world, especially since it seems like pro-status quo commenters don't care to learn more? I think I'm one of the sour grapes commenters often, and I've very often tried to…

> Have you considered that the sour grapes attitude actually comes from an understanding of the world I would argue the opposite. Often the comments that OP is describing are people who have very little knowledge of the topic at hand, only strongly held emotional feelings based on some narrative that appeals to their bias. The problem is, HN is a crowd of people who grew up believing they would all become the next St…

I think that this may apply to some people but as a blanket statement it feels incorrect because there are tons of counterexamples.

Plenty of very successful people that I know personally think that attention-hacking stuff like Mr Beast videos, YouTube/Instagram/TikTok shorts etc are bad news.

Hell, I wouldn't consider myself Steve Jobs level, but I think I've done alright, and I feel that way, so, er, where does that leave me? Do I need 700 million or whatever for it to not be sour grapes? There are plenty of extremely successful (whether financial or otherwise) individuals that I do respect.

Re: How to succeed in MrBeast production (Leaked PDF)

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Post by Pedro_Ribeiro »

walthamstow wrote: post #241
jsheard wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Willing to Die for MrBeast (and $5 Million) https://archive.is/lDVoz

He blames Crowdstrike for his org treating humans like shit for money. Nice.

Is that all you got from the quote?

"was unfortunately complicated by the CrowdStrike incident, extreme weather and other unexpected logistical and communications issues"

"extreme weather"

"communications issues"

Are you doing this on purpose? I'm not even a fan of the guy but this type of out-of-context taking just hurts discourse. It's the type of thing I came to HN to avoid.

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