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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by prmoustache »

kernal wrote: post #338
nine_k wrote: post #103

The detainment order was outstanding for some time, and Durov certainly knew that. Still he plainly landed in France and was detained. Why? My pet tinfoil-hat theory is that he decided that staying in a French prison is safer for him than being out in the open and get some polonium, or whatnot.

> staying in a French prison is safer for him than being out in the open This is probably the most ridiculous theory I’ve read all year.

Not necessarily. He may have thought he was in danger.

FWIW, France do not extradite its citizen and Pavel Durov is french. He may have been arrested but that doesn't mean he will stay in detention depending on the nature of the charge and his eventual cooperation. Who knows, maybe he called before landing in France so that he was arrested and seen as cooperative.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by kspacewalk2 »

NoxiousPluK wrote: post #339
codedokode wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram allows to report illegal posts; I suggest that France arrests those who saw the posts but didn't report them instead.

To be fair, anyone that has used Telegram for a while know that this is just a mock option to fool regulators. You can report all you want; zero action is taken. There are dozens of accounts that joined groups I'm in to spam CSAM. We've reported them, kicked/banned them from the group. Months later you can look them up and they're still there and still active. They even post CSAM in their public (visible for everyone…

The amount of obviously illegal content on Telegram makes it plain that, for all intents and purposes, it is an un-moderated platform. They sporadically moderate when there's serious pressure, but for the most part do nothing.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by aa_is_op »

vhiremath4 wrote: post #375
sega_sai wrote: post #322

A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

Ah very interesting. Thanks for making that distinction! To me, I’m wondering at what critical mass of people should you need to provide a back door to the government? Is it 2? 3? 100? 1000? Are the number of people the right indicator here? Genuinely curious of people’s thoughts. I haven’t though too deeply about this.

Yeah. Basically Telegram is the new dark web, but for people to dumb to understand that it logs everything.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by akira2501 »

Aerroon wrote: post #290
sunaookami wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ever since von der Leyen became president. Typical for her since she also tried the same shit in Germany.

Sadly, this isn't the case. I keep bringing it up since people forget about it: in 2006 the EU adopted the Data Retention Directive that forced all ISPs to save the browsing history of everyone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive It was eventually declared invalid by the European court of human rights, but it was still in effect for many years. Countries that did not implement this (eg Romania bec…

"Welp.. funding terrorists and then pretending like we're afraid of them didn't work, how about we fund child pornographers and then pretend like we just can't catch them if encryption exists."

Typical modern law enforcement incompetence. They don't care about you. They just want to protect their access to your data.

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Post by tillulen »

mikae1 wrote: post #373
nextos wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)? Or does it refer to public channels only?

> Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)? No, not yet. > Or does it refer to public channels only? On Telegram channels and groups are not E2EE. I'd assume that's were most of the crap is spread.

Private messages aren’t end-to-end encrypted either. The so-called secret chats are end-to-end encrypted but are a major pain to use. I doubt that feature sees much use.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by [deleted] »

kkfx wrote: post #81

Many people outside AND INSIDE France still have not much understood that the current government have transformed a step at a time the Republic in a ready-for-a-full-coup fascist state, for those who can read french I suggest trying: - https://www.senat.fr/leg/tas22-148.pdf page 43 bottom, or searching "réquisition de toute personne" - https://www.senat.fr/leg/pjl22-569.pdf with a good intervention from an LFI MEP, U…

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by akira2501 »

sega_sai wrote: post #322

A bunch of people in comments here seem to misunderstand what telegram is. It is not just a messaging app, it is essentially a platform like twitter, with channels, hundreds of thousands of subscribers to those. While I fully support E2EE communication with no back-doors, I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law. I do not know the t…

> I think it is perfectly fair for governments to have some control to take down large channels that are clearly against the law

How is a channel "against the law?"

Do you mean access to the channel is creating opportunities for lawlessness that simply wouldn't exist otherwise? I'm not sure the French justice system has demonstrated that it has exhausted all options other than to handcuff a CEO of one particular platform.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

wkat4242 wrote: post #324
sega_sai wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Telegram is not just a messenger, it's a platform for distributing news/info through channels. Signal simply does not have that.

Signal and WhatsApp do have that. You can easily use group chats that way, you just have to get invited. You can't look for them and join them. It's really easy for e.g. a drugdealer to post QR codes or something on lamp posts with their contact and then they can invite people. Making Telegram go away is just going to hide the problem, not solve it.

Aaaah yes, the standard political "solution".

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Post by abawany »

dang wrote: post #303

We changed the URL from https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-... to an article in English. If there's a better article in English, we can change it again.

there is one from Lemonde in English: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2024/08/25/telegram...

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

codedokode wrote: post #456
compiler1410 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Billionaire CEO named namedson This isn't Slayers X. But on a serious note if he's a billionaire then he can drop the whole monetization schtick. Telegram has become unusuable in the last few years. There's crypto scam ads everywhere.

Whenever I open Youtube via an EU proxy, I see "a crypto scam" video at the front page, the first one. The title is "+35 ETH generated last month by effectively using the contract bot for trading" and the account name is "Web3 developer", and the label says "Sponsored". The thumbnail displays a happy bearded man's face resembling that famous Youtuber who gives away money, a fire emoji and words "+35 ETH in July perso…

Forgive my scepticism, but I’m going to have to ask you for a screenshot and which country YouTube thought you were connecting from.

I’m asking because, at least according to my understanding of YouTube’s ad policies, that shouldn’t be allowed: https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/14009787?hl=en&r...

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