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Meta cancels high-end mixed reality headset after Apple Vision Pro struggles

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Post by sherburt3 »

deisteve wrote: post #180
Der_Einzige wrote: post #112

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Watching the same dynamic play out in GenAI. Stability AI refused to cater to this crowd (the chief actual users of their models) and are paying like hell for it. The reality is that coomers ARE the market for a lot of GenAI, no matter how much puritans don't want to admit it.

its incredible how different the West is to Japan the lack of judeo-christian moral nannyism hardly means a dangerous society but a peaceful one just look at all the accusations on X and calling Japan weird and worse

I don't think Japan is a good example of sexual liberation. The fact they have women-only train cars immediately comes to mind.

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Post by dzikimarian »

epolanski wrote: post #381
kalleboo wrote: post #262

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From Europe, a 1 week package holiday in Thailand with flight+resort hotel included is $1000.

Link? I really doubt this is true, I'm European and check this kind of stuff often.

https://www.pepper.pl/share-deal-from-app/881457

$700 - flight + hotel for a week

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Post by danans »

jemmyw wrote: post #61
danans wrote: post #55

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> I contend that almost every problem solvable by a wearable can be solved “well enough” by a smartphone, to the point where an additional device is not worth the trouble for the marginal benefit I've found glanceable notifications on my smartwatch to be really useful. Dismissing or answering calls without taking out my phone (or without my phone at all since the watch has mobile connectivity), quickly seeing text me…

But as the parent poster said, most of those things are adequate without the watch. I have a watch but it's a nice to have rather than essential.

A mobile connected tablet could do everything a smartphone can well enough (and more), but I still prefer to carry a phone over that.

I definitely wouldn't get a smartwatch instead of a phone (except for a kid), but there are definitely some small set of things it does better.

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Post by giobox »

lelanthran wrote: post #361
zmmmmm wrote: post #169

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It depends on what you mean by "soon". For sure, it's not happening next year. But within 5 years I think the hardware will get to a point where it's possible, and then within 10 it will be compelling. The "strapping computers to their faces" meme is just stupid hyperbole. It's no more insightful than declaring that nobody wants to stuff a computer into their pocket - when 99% of people now carry smart phones (and mo…

> The "strapping computers to their faces" meme is just stupid hyperbole. It's no more insightful than declaring that nobody wants to stuff a computer into their pocket - when 99% of people now carry smart phones Depends on how you define 'computer': content creation or content consumption? Because everyone with a 'computer' in their pocket has nothing more than 'interactive television' in their pocket. They literall…

You are missing the forest for the trees here; what we call the device we strap to our face is neither here nor there and of no relevance to my earlier argument.

The issue is a great many people just won’t want to sit wearing anything at all on their face in a meeting - especially those who may have put effort into appearance of their hair and makeup etc etc as just one of many examples.

It’s also not a “meme”, or “hyperbole”. That is literally what you have to do today and in near term with an AVP or meta Quest etc- strap a heat generating, heavy, sometimes fan cooled (AVP) computer across your face.

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Post by davkan »

Towaway69 wrote: post #358
davkan wrote: post #346

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I think there’s lower hanging fruit for reducing carbon emissions than swapping the annual family vacation for a bunch of VR headsets. By all means if you’re willing to make that sacrifice be my guest, but I can’t imagine experiencing Venice through a headset.

> lower hanging fruit for reducing carbon emissions Taking a bike (when possible) instead of a car, for example. I think many things that we can do fail because of our collective convenience: why take public transport when I can have my private space in a car? There might be low hanging fruits, but there is human convenience to take into account. Making potential low hanging fruit become had to implement. > I can’t i…

I’m 100% down the idea that we have individual responsibility to the environment and must make some personal sacrifice. Paper grocery bags are much less convenient than plastic but I’m in support of legislation to ban plastic bags even if all the cost and inconvenience is passed on to the customer. Biking to work is a great choice if you live in range.

Neither of these deprive you of truly transformative experiences like travel. Air travel will never be a green endeavor. It will always be something that we’ll have to compensate for elsewhere in pursuit of being carbon neutral.

I’m not willing to tell someone that they should not fly across the country to see their friend in order to be an environmentally responsible citizen. Not while we still burn coal and gas to keep the lights on.

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Post by renewiltord »

screye wrote: post #53

A counter point on premium VR headsets. They are teleportation devices. I've used every popular VR device, but one Vision Pro experience stood out - 'The Haleakala environment'[1] It was literally like being transported there. I know because I had been in that exact spot a few years before. I have a rich visual memory which served as reference, and no exaggeration, it felt like was there. I was immediately in tears.…

360 cameras are cheaper than you think. I like the GoPro 360 Max. You'll have to post process video to get it onto YouTube but you can then watch it.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #430
whitehexagon wrote: post #365

I suspect these newer headsets have struggled because of walled gardens and crazy pricing, and thus lack of developer interest. The Oculus DK2 was just a second monitor, amazingly simple and fun to develop for. One of the most developer friendly devices I worked with. Oculus CV1 proprietary driver, forced experience, worsening SDK and dropping linux basically killed the device (and VR) for me, even before fb got thei…

Meta thinks they got screwed by Apple’s (and to a lesser extent Google’s) walled gardens, so now they want their own.

I don't think this makes much sense. Meta sells ads. Apple and Google don't walled garden ads on apps do they? Meta doesn't use the Google and Apple ad APIs. They have their own ad marketplace, etc.

I really do think it's as simple as them seeing a future where people use a different form factor from a phone to do what they do much of what they do with their phones. I think that will be something closer to Google Glass but modern day

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Post by doix »

concinds wrote: post #449
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #423

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A 386 PC cost $3000+ after the 486 was released. Sometimes I think our expectations for dirt cheap supercomputers are out of whack.

This isn't a "supercomputer". It's not even a computer. It's a locked-down device, with very few tailored apps and content (for now anyway).

Yeah, but that's because it's Apple. If the same hardware was made by pretty much anyone else, I'd probably be interested. It's like the iPad Pro. It could probably replace my laptop if it could run real Linux.

If the community had free reign to do whatever with the hardware, it would be much more than a toy. Someone would port SimulaVR (or a different window manager) and it would feel like a real computing device.

I can imagine a world where I travel with one of those headsets and a wireless keyboard. Then I can setup shop anywhere and do development work in a cloud environment. The headset just being a dumb terminal to render the terminal or whatever.

It really feels like we are only a few years away from that being reality. I really want the apple headset to succeed, so that other companies invest in open/hackable hardware.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

LZ_Khan wrote: post #265
paxys wrote: post #42

I feel like they have struck gold with the Meta Ray-ban glasses. Perfect form factor, looks cool, not obtrusive, has actual features that people want to use. That IMO is the future of wearables + AR/VR + AI, not a bulky headset.

Have you seen the snap glasses. Meta glasses aint goin anywhere

Pretty sure the Meta glasses routinely sell out and the Spectacles had a hard time selling. Maybe they both sell them at a loss, who knows

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Post by sroussey »

ffgjgf1 wrote: post #35
sroussey wrote: post #17

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> they're products we don't -need-. If you already have a smartphone, that's good enough. I disagree. If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking at (that I’m connected to on LinkedIn) and why/how we were connected, I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

> If LinkedIn made AR glasses that told me who the person is I’m looking I could only hope that the EU would ban it ASAP if such a product existed making it unviable anywhere else. Except maybe China and such, should be pretty useful for the CCP enforcement agencies.

Why? It would only search the people I am connected to, not the whole planet.
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