This case -like the Sackler case- I hope they burn the company down with malice to make an example. I have similar feelings about Airbnb. I think they caused a good deal of harm, but I'm more kind to the argument they are allowing market forces to act. People are priced out by mid-level wealth holders in nice locations who rent out to tourists; homes young families could have enjoyed. Airbnb could be a net harm on so…
DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters
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#462>Armed with competing landlords’ data, RealPage also encourages loyalty to the algorithm’s recommendations through, among other measures, “auto accept” functionality and pricing advisors who monitor landlords’ compliance. I think the "private prices" + "autoaccept" + "compliance" is the key misbehavior that gets RealPage into legal trouble. If competitors want to converge on prices in a legal manner , they have to do…
I think you're over analyzing and confusing things. Price fixing is when competitors work together to raise prices above what they would normally be in a competitive market. Using your gas station example, a gas station isn't going to look at a competitor selling gas at $4.15 and decide to raise their price to $4.45. They would lower their price to match the competition, otherwise they'd lose sales and make less mone…
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I agree that the underlying issue is a lack of supply. However, if a landlord is commanding a 30% profit margin on a non-luxury apartment then I think they are contributing to the problem (to be clear, I'm not insinuating anyone in this thread is doing this). I think the only objective way to tell if it's priced too high is by the profit margin, but of course even that can be inflated if e.g. a developer took a huge…
Business arent charities. Almost every one is trying to maximize profits.
Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters
#464Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you're over analyzing and confusing things. Price fixing is when competitors work together to raise prices above what they would normally be in a competitive market. Using your gas station example, a gas station isn't going to look at a competitor selling gas at $4.15 and decide to raise their price to $4.45. They would lower their price to match the competition, otherwise they'd lose sales and make less mone…
If instead the 2 gas stations were both selling at $4.45 and looked around and decided not to lower their prices to $4.15 even though they could, it's equivalent.
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If anyone else runs into this issue, typically the direct route for things like this is to get involved a discussion with someone in your Total Rewards / Global Compensation team. These are usually the people that confirm the mapping of internal positions to benchmarks, and there is huge between-organizations variability in the quality behind that process. Many times normal managers or more generalist HR Partners (es…
HR is not your friend. Corporate Confidential by Cynthia Shapiro is a recommended read. My advice; get a better offer elsewhere, then see if HR wants to pay you your worth.
Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters
#466Earlier quoted context omitted.
If anyone else runs into this issue, typically the direct route for things like this is to get involved a discussion with someone in your Total Rewards / Global Compensation team. These are usually the people that confirm the mapping of internal positions to benchmarks, and there is huge between-organizations variability in the quality behind that process. Many times normal managers or more generalist HR Partners (es…
HR is not your friend. Corporate Confidential by Cynthia Shapiro is a recommended read. My advice; get a better offer elsewhere, then see if HR wants to pay you your worth.
Most people don't get this.
HR exists to protect the company from the employees, not protect the employees from the company.
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Housing supply is inelastic due to the time it takes to permit and built. Housing demand is more elastic than you suspect. People have income on a curve, and at a certain point of price/quality will move further out and commute or move to a lower cost of living city entirely.
Meanwhile, I know many people in NYC who spend ~60% of their post-tax income on rented housing. Nobody is happy about it or thinks it's a good idea, but living further out is not perceived as a legitimate option because of the fear of being severed either socially or career-wise. Whether that's a rational fear or not, it's a reality that allows housing prices to outpace wage gains every year. As somebody who used to…
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>I have a strong incentive to undercut them Not in a supply constrained market where your rental will be occupied either way.
If all units are being rented there is no collusion as the market clearing price is being charged. Collusion requires taking supply off the market in order to raise prices.
This is factually incorrect.
Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters
#469>Armed with competing landlords’ data, RealPage also encourages loyalty to the algorithm’s recommendations through, among other measures, “auto accept” functionality and pricing advisors who monitor landlords’ compliance. I think the "private prices" + "autoaccept" + "compliance" is the key misbehavior that gets RealPage into legal trouble. If competitors want to converge on prices in a legal manner , they have to do…
The classic way that businesses openly coordinate their pricing is via price matching. Businesses advertise their preferred prices but also promise that they'll match lower prices from competitors. Competitors see these advertisements and set their own prices to approximately match. The FTC does not consider this type of open signaling to be price fixing: > Q: Our company monitors competitors' ads, and we sometimes o…
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Then they don't have to actually price match because they are "different products"
Re: DOJ sues realpage for algorithmic pricing scheme that harms renters
#470>Armed with competing landlords’ data, RealPage also encourages loyalty to the algorithm’s recommendations through, among other measures, “auto accept” functionality and pricing advisors who monitor landlords’ compliance. I think the "private prices" + "autoaccept" + "compliance" is the key misbehavior that gets RealPage into legal trouble. If competitors want to converge on prices in a legal manner , they have to do…
If not % of rent then I can't understand why the company would want rents to be higher across the board.