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Post by rsynnott »

sparky_z wrote: post #126
majewsky wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems super late in the game but okay. Why does the US in specific have such drawn-out campaigns? Earlier this week, I saw a pundit commenting that 4 months before the election is too short notice to pick a new candidate. But there's countries in Europe that announce elections, pick candidates, do the campaigns, go to the pools, do the counts, and have the electees take office, all in less than 4 months (see e.g…

Because elections here aren't "announced". They're on a fixed 4-year schedule. Everyone knows they're coming, and if they start just a little sooner than the other guy this time, that may give them an advantage. Over time, it creeps earlier and earlier. Like retail stores putting out Christmas stuff in mid-october. Obviously, in great Britain's recent election, nobody knew there was going to be an election until it w…

For practical purposes, in parliamentary democracies, the approximate date of the election is almost always known. Occasionally, they’ll go notably early, as with the recent UK one (they could have gone up to December) but it’s not really the norm (or certainly the out-of-the-blue nature of wasn’t), and it was still only five months.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by dredmorbius »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

As much as it pains me to suggest a Cheney, Liz Cheney would be another strong contender.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

mattnewton wrote: post #378
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

Moderate Republicans who won't just vote for Trump are a dying breed. I don't think they are worth courting over just convincing young people and women to turn out to vote, purely on demographics. I could be ideologically blinded by this though.

This is what The Lincoln Project and The Bulwark have been working on the last few years.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by mattnewton »

apexalpha wrote: post #61

From Europe, so not as much skin in the game as others here. But jeez the Democratic party needs to new leadership. And I don't mean Harris or whoever, but the party leadership itself. The gaslighting in the past year about Bidens age was insane to watch. Literally asking people to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

The parties are not as strong as your typical European party - if you win the presidency, in a very real sense your people become the party. Biden's people picking a process that favored Biden is expected here. For better or for worse there is no smokey back room of elders with superdelegate powers driving the show, the closest is probably the donor class who aren't part of the formal party leadership but back horses in the party.

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Post by avar »

kgwgk wrote: post #397
avar wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They hadn't told the people running his Twitter account yet? There was already an incident [1] where his press secretary tweeted about running for president on her own account, so she or her people are presumably in charge of it. 1. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

They found out on Twitter: https://x.com/politico/status/1815098672113402138

How is that related to this?

Even if Biden had personally authored and posted every one his tweets, that would have nothing to do with whether aides were kept in the loop about major campaign announcements.

This thread is discussing an alleged inconsistency (or quick reversal) in his Twitter messaging.

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Post by 10xDev »

was_a_dev wrote: post #186
apexalpha wrote: post #61

From Europe, so not as much skin in the game as others here. But jeez the Democratic party needs to new leadership. And I don't mean Harris or whoever, but the party leadership itself. The gaslighting in the past year about Bidens age was insane to watch. Literally asking people to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears.

While not as much skin, we sadly have more skin in this game as I'd wish The election of the next President will have a large effect on the security of Europe with respect to both Russia and Israel

In what world is Israel relevant to the security of Europe?

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Post by kristjansson »

coffeecloud wrote: post #66
egberts1 wrote: post #34

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Political parties aren’t democratic institutions. They are essentially private organizations who can operate however they want. It’s only been the last 50 years or so that either party has used primaries as anything more than a straw poll

Not to be too conspiratorial, but these gripes about the primaries seem too uniform and unipolar to be entirely genuine.

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Post by reissbaker »

majewsky wrote: post #110
bilekas wrote: post #22

This is wild. It seems super late in the game but okay. I'm super interested to see what will become of his chips act etc. The push he has tried to do to remove dependencies on TSMC is very forward thinking. Hopefully the next candidate takes up the momentum. Edit : Typo in TSMC

> It seems super late in the game but okay. Why does the US in specific have such drawn-out campaigns? Earlier this week, I saw a pundit commenting that 4 months before the election is too short notice to pick a new candidate. But there's countries in Europe that announce elections, pick candidates, do the campaigns, go to the pools, do the counts, and have the electees take office, all in less than 4 months (see e.g…

It's because America has three elections for President:

1. Republican primaries

2. Democratic primaries

3. General election

The drawn-out part is the primaries, part of which are parties trying to get their candidates in the news for a while. Once the parties officially pick a candidate — July this year for the Republicans, August for Democrats — the election proceeds on a pretty quick timetable.

The UK doesn't do primary elections to the same extent, nor do most parliamentary democracies. So they're faster, since there's just a general election.

The concern about Kamala's "short" time to make a case for electing her to the presidency is that she didn't get to make use of the ~year+ news cycles of the primaries, and will only have the general election to convince voters. (There's also a specter of it being "undemocratic" since party nominees are typically elected by the party's voters, rather than chosen by officials, but since she was Biden's VP in 2020, and he won the election, IMO this is overblown: the entire point of a VP is to take over if the president is unable to function, which is what happened in this case. Her claim to democratic election is that voters chose the Biden/Harris ticket in a general election, which is pretty reasonable.)

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