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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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There is absolutely no doubt that the Cuban economy is suffering through a severe crisis. However, mass emigration offers some benefits to the Communist regime. Many of the migrants who work in the USA send money back to their families in Cuba in the form of remittances, which provide valuable foreign exchange reserves to help pay for essential imports. Moreover, emigration provides an escape for those people who might otherwise form a potentially powerful class of under-employed and politically discontent civilians. If Cuba’s emigrants were still living on the island, then the Communist regime would have good reason to worry about a mass revolution, as shown by the experience of the Arab Spring, when authoritarian governments in Syria, Libya and Egypt, each struggling with rising demographic pressures and economic stagnation, were destabilized by popular rebellion. The Communist elite is certainly aware of the dangers to its regime from a potential “Cuban Spring,” and thus likely regards mass emigration as a welcome alternative, despite the obvious social liabilities of losing so much human capital.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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It's interesting reading the opinions in the comments on this thread. As a non-US person, I don't have a strong opinion on Cuba. I'd like to visit someday but don't know much about it other than the headlines. Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. With 1m people leaving in a year, it clearly has its issues - but lots of the comments here are a good example of how your co…

> Reading the comments here it sounds like a pariah state on the level of North Korea. The only reason it's NOT North Korea is the fact that it "allows" its people to flee to the United States, where by law they may become American citizens. Cuba has extremely effective propaganda - folks forget that it's actually a dictatorship which severely limits freedom of speech and brutally cracks down on protest. Wikipedia ha…

Is the propaganda really effective when a photo from an average cuban street says it all? (walking dead tier even in the heart of the capital)

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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There is absolutely no doubt that the Cuban economy is suffering through a severe crisis. However, mass emigration offers some benefits to the Communist regime. Many of the migrants who work in the USA send money back to their families in Cuba in the form of remittances, which provide valuable foreign exchange reserves to help pay for essential imports. Moreover, emigration provides an escape for those people who mig…

Can you explain this? I'm pretty sure Cuban migrants to the US can't remit money to Cuba; that's one of the key points of the sanctions.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Jews only got full citizenship rights in many European countries after the Enlightenment and in many ways their assimilation was absolutely a success, despite an enduring legacy of anti-Semitism (which was shown e.g. by the Dreyfus affair in France, not merely in places with a lengthy history of social authoritarianism and anti-Enlightenment values such as pre-1945 Germany). This, if anything, is proof that successfu…

The path from Jewish emancipation in law to Jewish integration in practice was slowed and stymied by antisemitism at every turn, to greater and lesser degrees in different countries. It is hard to believe that Jews were ever regarded as true equals, broadly, in a country which willingly handed over so many to the Nazis. And of course in Spain, Jews were not full citizens and the practice of Judaism was simply forbidd…

Do you mean 1968? The Alhambra decree of 1492 in which Jews were ordered expelled from Spain was not formally rescinded until 1968.

https://www.nytimes.com/1968/12/17/archives/1492-ban-on-jews...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra_Decree

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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There is absolutely no doubt that the Cuban economy is suffering through a severe crisis. However, mass emigration offers some benefits to the Communist regime. Many of the migrants who work in the USA send money back to their families in Cuba in the form of remittances, which provide valuable foreign exchange reserves to help pay for essential imports. Moreover, emigration provides an escape for those people who mig…

Can you explain this? I'm pretty sure Cuban migrants to the US can't remit money to Cuba; that's one of the key points of the sanctions.

According to the Western Union website, the company "is resuming its money transfer service between the U.S. and Cuba. Following the tightening of laws by the U.S. government in 2020, services had to be suspended leaving those wishing to send money to Cuba from USA with limited and expensive options. Now that some restrictions have been lifted, Western Union is gradually bringing back limited money transfer services from the U.S. to Cuba."

https://www.westernunion.com/blog/en/us/were-back-send-money...

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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There is absolutely no doubt that the Cuban economy is suffering through a severe crisis. However, mass emigration offers some benefits to the Communist regime. Many of the migrants who work in the USA send money back to their families in Cuba in the form of remittances, which provide valuable foreign exchange reserves to help pay for essential imports. Moreover, emigration provides an escape for those people who mig…

Can you explain this? I'm pretty sure Cuban migrants to the US can't remit money to Cuba; that's one of the key points of the sanctions.

As a Miami native, I can tell you for a fact Cuban remittances do indeed happen. The sanctions loosened after the Obama admin d'tente even after the Trump admin restored most of the controls. My alma matter https://cri.fiu.edu/cuban-america/remittance/ has a continued focus of research to see how much flows go back to island nation.

Anyway tl;dr is that Cubans use: https://havanaship.net/nueva-agencia-de-remesas-a-cuba-orbit, which is a gov't controlled remittance operator. As of commenting isn't on the OFAC controlled entity list. It used to be sanctioned after the previous remittance operator was associated with the Cuban Army but is now in compliance.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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As someone who isn't American, the dialogue around immigration in the US seems so odd. I've lived in six different countries (including the US) and in every other country there is no discussion around illegal immigrants - they are deported. It's not even a political issue. Having secure borders is a norm. Then I get to the US and there is this weird political debate around it. For someone reason it's "bad" to refer t…

It's because the US has historically promulgated a nudge-nudge wink-wink attitude that could be summed up as "You can't come here legally, but if you get through our defenses, there will be plenty of work waiting for you."

Many of us have sympathy for people who came in under this system who generally just want to work their asses off doing jobs no American wants to do.

We're also talking about kids brought here as toddlers. Many of us think deporting these people is particularly cruel, as their home country is completely foreign to them.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

I thought the republicans wanted stronger border control. Border control and immigration policy are different things. If anyone can just hop the border and walk in and we don’t deport them then our immigration policy is irrelevant because we are choosing not to enforce it.
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