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Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by anthk »

maxmalkav wrote: post #458
anthk wrote: post #283

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If not utterly false and defaming. ANY educated Spanish speaker could talk to any other one from the whole Latin America in the spot. We are not talking about hicks with a deep and harsh accent such as some Andalusian farmer and some Northern Mexican paisano from Nowhereland. (Kinda like mixing an Appalachian and a Scottish).

The Internet seems like a small place, and lately, I always find you talking in a demeaning way about the South of Spain and/or its people. :-) I usually wouldn't engage further (as most people don't when faced with your harsh statements), but as a "hick farmer from Andalusia" myself, and your history on this topic, it hits too close to home. You probably think you don't need to, but maybe consider checking how you a…

I'm from Spain and some elderly people un the South have a very hard accent to grasp. That's a reality. Andalusia, Extremadura and Albacete. The last one have been the hardest one to pick something.

The same happens with the Basque language/variants with some Uribe Kosta subdialects and some further away French Basque dialects.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by Retric »

bradknowles wrote: post #459
Retric wrote: post #457

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The culture of poor parts of DC is vastly different than the culture of places 2 streets away. Culture is ultra local.

Culture is fractal, and happens on many different levels. And there are many types of stratifications of culture. And those stratifications can happen in multiple dimensions at the same time. But culture can also refer to a larger conglomeration of smaller cultures, or components of smaller cultures. Just like a meal or dinner from one place can have many different components, and be differently prepared from a meal…

> In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about.

Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by bradknowles »

Retric wrote: post #462
bradknowles wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Culture is fractal, and happens on many different levels. And there are many types of stratifications of culture. And those stratifications can happen in multiple dimensions at the same time. But culture can also refer to a larger conglomeration of smaller cultures, or components of smaller cultures. Just like a meal or dinner from one place can have many different components, and be differently prepared from a meal…

> In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about. Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.

I lived there. I traveled all over that area. The Northern Virginia counties are much closer to the culture in DC than the culture in Baltimore.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by m463 »

harry8 wrote: post #385
throw4847285 wrote: post #25

When I went to Chile I was about to undertake a cross-country move across the US. Everybody I spoke to in Santiago couldn't imagine a country where you can drive a massive distance like that and move from one major metropolis to another. At the time, I thought they were just reflecting on the fact that Chile is a country where 40% of all people live in one metro area, so there isn't another huge metro area to move to…

City size is all definitional. My first ever look at the states was out the window of a plane flying to NYC from the Bahamas at night. Straight up the east coast. Mind blowing. To my eyes it was one enormous city without any meaningful separation all the way. I was expecting to be surprised by the scale of the usa and yet it was way beyond what i could imagine. Others won’t share that definition.

I thought the same thing when flying from west coast to east coast, but in a different way.

In california a postage-stamp sized lot is a million dollars, yet flying over endless land all day in a plane at 600 mph, I couldn't help but think it might all be a scam.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by Retric »

bradknowles wrote: post #463
Retric wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In the case of DC versus Baltimore, it’s the larger scale differences that I’m talking about. Those differences aren’t larger in scale than Loudan or Fauquier county vs DC. Simply being different doesn’t on its own mean anything here.

I lived there. I traveled all over that area. The Northern Virginia counties are much closer to the culture in DC than the culture in Baltimore.

What parts of DC, Baltimore, and Loudan county did you live in?

Culture isn’t easy to find objective measurements but politically things are objectively similar between Baltimore and DC with extremely strong Democratic leanings. 2020 DC voted 5.40% Trump, 92.15% Biden vs Baltimore City 10.69% Trump, 87.28% Biden vs Fauquier County 57% Trump, 40% Biden.

DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia...

VA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia...

MD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia...

Poor parts of DC are much closer to poor parts of Baltimore than the rich areas of Loudan county etc.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by bradknowles »

Retric wrote: post #465
bradknowles wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lived there. I traveled all over that area. The Northern Virginia counties are much closer to the culture in DC than the culture in Baltimore.

What parts of DC, Baltimore, and Loudan county did you live in? Culture isn’t easy to find objective measurements but politically things are objectively similar between Baltimore and DC with extremely strong Democratic leanings. 2020 DC voted 5.40% Trump, 92.15% Biden vs Baltimore City 10.69% Trump, 87.28% Biden vs Fauquier County 57% Trump, 40% Biden. DC: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_presidentia.…

Poor parts of every county or city are going to have more similarities to other poor parts of every other city or county than compared to the rich areas that may be nearby.

That is one aspect of the multi-dimensional fractal nature of culture that I mentioned. Poor/rich is just one dimension to be considered. So are political leanings.

However, when you consider all the other dimensions, you will find that DC and the surrounding suburbs have more similarities to each other than they do with the corresponding areas in and around Baltimore.

Making them up to be the same CSA is just the way that the federal government gets away with paying cheaper wages in the DC area, because they can now lump Baltimore in there, and obviously by that new federal standard, federal wages in the DC area are not out of line with the overall CSA.

It’s just a lie that the federal government is telling you. And that they told me, when I lived there.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by wageslave99 »

alephnerd wrote: post #240
santiagobasulto wrote: post #122

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Thanks god we don't care. Spain wanting to dictate what's real "spanish" is like the King of England telling a jamaican that their english is wrong.

Agreed! Prescriptive language bodies are dumb and prevent languages from organically evolving.

I don't agree on that. Having a common language that you can use to communicate with a large number of people is a godsend.

Re: Why is Chile so long?

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Post by flobosg »

ivm wrote: post #419
flobosg wrote: post #417

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> a few food names are not "language influence" in any seruous way Your conclusion is then that Chilean Spanish has no Quechua language influence in any serious way? > the only linguistic legacy of Germans in Chile are kuchen , strudel , and some weird last names used as street names You forgot bocha , polca , and murra .

You keep either missing or intentionally misinterpreting what I'm saying, and then arguing against your own interpretation. So let's end it. > murra It's mora down here.

https://www.asale.org/damer/murra
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