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Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by greenavocado »

jart wrote: post #243
simonw wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very cynical take. I've not seen anything to make me think this feature is intended for surveillance as opposed to personal utility. The personal utility benefits are very clear to me - the problem is the ease with which malicious attackers might steal the data (if they can breach the system).

My take is more cynical. They actually want your soul. By collecting all the information that was ever used to train the neural network between your ears, they can create a synthetic version of you, to impersonate you, and some might even argue resurrect you, inside a computer, to torture you Clockwork Orange style with an endless display of ads, predicting what the fleshy version of you wants to buy, how to preempt…

The fundamental energy responsible for the universe is consciousness, and the goal of consciousness is to create, to experience, to learn and to improve (or re-create), ultimately evolving to a state of lower entropy (creating order out of chaos). The pyramids on the ancient artifacts represent our consciousness. And if you take a look at the depictions of the pyramids with the eye (or sun) on top, you’ll notice that the top of the pyramid is always missing. This symbolizes the fact that the development of our consciousness is always ongoing and will likely never end — at least for as long as the universe exists. We’re on a continuous path of building our consciousness, brick by brick, slowly but surely reaching higher states of awareness.

And where are we ultimately heading? To the very top, of course; towards the sun; towards enlightenment. The ancient people used various objects in nature to symbolize certain concepts, and the sun above the pyramid represents enlightenment — the highest state of awareness, knowledge and wisdom. The idea behind this is that the bright light from the sun allows us to see our environment and when we can see our environment clearly — i.e. when we can see things as they truly are — we can start to collect valid information about it and build a good understanding of it. That’s why when you withhold knowledge from people it’s called “keeping them in the dark.” This is also why one of the well known secret societies called themselves the Illuminati; they considered themselves the illuminated ones, because they possessed knowledge others didn’t have; in other words, they were illuminated by the extra knowledge they possessed while everyone else was (relatively) in the dark.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by jrflowers »

alt227 wrote: post #446
jrflowers wrote: post #195

I love all of the “I see how this could be useful software. I’d maybe use it!” comments. Since this functionality can pretty much be replicated with OBS Studio + a keylogger I would love to know what keylogger/screen recorder software combo everybody is already running on their own machines

The data capture could, but the part where you ask AI a humanised query and it will search your data for you couldnt.

Surely you could just pipe the output of your keylogger to chatgpt or a local llama instance. Voila!

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by tacocataco »

failbuffer wrote: post #304
generic92034 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or you are living in a country where worker rights prevent causeless mass surveillance of employees.

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Through state level electoral reform, people would be able to vote outside the party system with no chance of a spoiler effect.

Perhaps feeling the heat of other viable political parties joining the table will light a fire under the asses of the legacy political parties?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by nofunsir »

alt227 wrote: post #447
nofunsir wrote: post #155

There was a post on HN not too long ago about a random 3rd party/open source tool that does exactly this, no? When I first heard about Recall AI, I immediately thought back to that HN article, but can't find it.

You mean rewind.ai

Yes! Thank you. Here's the thread I was thinking of:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33421751

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by tacocataco »

jjcm wrote: post #187

Recall suffered from a classic Microsoft mistake they've made time and again, but never learned from - how to correctly market and package your feature. Microsoft always tends to "go big" with their integrations, often to their detriment, in order to increase adoption of new features. One notable time was with Windows 8. They really, REALLY wanted people to try out the new Metro UI, so they deeply integrated it into…

Can't users just not want a feature?

Why bother using psychological tricks to fool the user into compliance when you can just use that time and energy to make a better product?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by andrei_says_ »

tacocataco wrote: post #463
failbuffer wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Through state level electoral reform, people would be able to vote outside the party system with no chance of a spoiler effect. Perhaps feeling the heat of other viable political parties joining the table will light a fire under the asses of the legacy political parties?

Appreciate your offering possible solutions in a context of lack of agency many of us feel.

What are some possible venues for proposing such legislation locally - and what are some examples of success?

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by Dalewyn »

mrangle wrote: post #450
Dalewyn wrote: post #399

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>Not agreeing to something that one does not want, in spite of tolerating qualitatively similar yet different objects that one also does want not want, is not "hypocrisy". It's a boundary. It is hypocrisy because there is no difference. None of you have yet managed to answer what differences, if any, exist between Recall and All The Other Tracking Siphoning Things(tm) most of us either accept or tolerate. >Your need…

There is a difference or Recall would be redundant, and you and they wouldn't care about it so much. It wouldn't exist. Your insistent advocacy and what you are demanding people accept, in Recall's supposed relative insignificance, are incongruent. Second, this situation doesn't fall under the definition of hypocrisy. It's more like date rapist's logic: "She didn't reject me when I kissed her while she was passed out…

>There is a difference or Recall would be redundant, and you and they wouldn't care about it so much.

Recall makes accessing the data more convenient especially for the commons, but that's a difference on the frontend. The criticism is directed at the backend, which is no different from all the others.

>Your insistent advocacy and what you are demanding people accept

I'm neither advocating nor demanding anything, stop mouthbreathing zealotry and go get some fresh air.

>Third, again see "boundaries"

You can't draw two lines on top of each other and say they are different lines to be treated differently.

>I wasn't aware that an answer to your nonsense question was required in order to justify Recall's popular rejection.

Can you answer what justifies the negative reaction?

>However, the answer is that nothing else in the base OS is creating a word for word, second to second, record of what is on one's screen to include passwords.

Sure there are, literally everything sitting in RAM or the page file for starters. Clearing the page file on shut down is a security measure some people/organizations take, by the way.

Also anything in the GPU, whose literal job is to render graphics and to do that it needs to know everything it has to render on screen. The GPU's data stores can also be accessed and routed externally, most commonly screen capture protocols and associated software.

Of course, you also just made it clear you don't even know WTF you're talking about: Recall reads the screen and creates a database dump which will be subsequently processed and accessed. It doesn't store the literal video in any permanent sense.

>Your "flawed logic" premise is rejected. ... The assertion that your question is not sufficiently answered is rejected ...

You reject reality and substitute your own?

>You need people to accept Recall, for some bizarre reason.

See above.

>And yet here you are.

Indeed, and?

>Few if any who comment on either side of this fake argument trust MS or those who are above it, if they are being honest. MS spent its trust currency long ago, and no one owes it to them.

To cite the HN Guidelines:

>Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.

Microsoft stated Recall is local, subsequent conversations and discussions should assume this to be correct until demonstrated otherwise which so far is not the case.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by tylerchilds »

i was recently filming on a reality show and i used recall as an example of why my system is important.

i’ve been building an end to end encrypted system, to secure cross platform interactive collaboration and that broke the threat model.

i can only guarantee security insofar as the host operating system doesn’t bypass my security by taking pictures of your screen every three seconds.

i hate that i’m going to need to lean into that, but for the first time in my approaching twenty years in technology, non technical folks are understanding cybersecurity better because it’s so clearly against their day to day lives, expectations, and interests.

Re: Microsoft to delay release of Recall AI feature on security concerns

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Post by tremon »

Everdred2dx wrote: post #406
jjcm wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd caution us to separate out the feature from the implementation. The feature provides the ability to search through all of the previous things you've done and gain context in an instant, in a way that can be queried with natural language. I think we can agree what it aims to achieve is beneficial. The implementation is what you're debating. I see these are two separate things, but they play hand in hand. If you ge…

While the claim that Bitlocker is used to encrypt them is true, it’s really not good enough here. The files are unencrypted during a live session, which makes them an easy target for malware.

Not just during a live session -- whenever Windows is running. Nobody needs to be logged in or actively using the machine for the files to be readable in unencrypted form.
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