Should have paid the protection money to CF. They need their cut of your gambling bag!
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#462Cloudflare is evil, even though they do a decent job of pretending they care. They are smart to offer gateway services (gateway as in gateway drugs - stuff to get you hooked) for free to end users, since it grows their fanboi base, gets more people familiar with their services, and gets people hooked in ways that make it very difficult to use something else when their projects grow. However, any reasonably competent…
> However, any reasonably competent person can see that recentralization of the Internet is a Bad Thing™, and that this is precisely what Cloudflare wants. It's an inevitable outcome, as long as there is nothing done against the big threat actors: government-run APTs from China, Russia, North Korea and Iran, government-tolerated scammers (India, Turkey), rogue actors in our governments' security services (e.g. Pegasu…
You're throwing unrelated facts at the statement. Recentralization has absolutely nothing to do with being protected from DDoS or from other threats. Now, DDoS (and other kinds of) protection can be done by recentralization, but that's just one possible way.
Saying it's inevitable makes you seem like a Cloudflare apologist, which unfortunately we see way too often here on ycombinator. Has anyone refuted my suggestion that Cloudflare is knowingly evil? No. Have they downvoted because my information is incorrect? Also, no, or if they think I'm incorrect, they haven't bothered pointing out how.
People want to like the things they choose, and this, unfortunately, is where Cloudflare is cleverer than other large, evil companies.
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#463Can any1 explain how HN algo works that this post, which at time of writing has 355p, 180comments while being posted 1 hour ago, isn't even on first page (ranked 31)???
My guess for why this would be flagged: its a gambling website so people are unsympathetic. Definitely an abuse of the flagging system.
Wonder how many of the people flagging it work for Cloudflare?
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#464Why is HN demoting this article? It was at the top of HN, then quickly buried to #20-#30. It is now at #27, being a hour old with 318 points.
Looks like a group of people decided to bury it
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#465Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it being difficult to grok is the point, if they laid down exactly how much they want you to pay for bandwidth then it would be easy to go price shopping between them and the competition. But when it's "free" bandwidth, with a fuzzy line where it stops being free, and ambiguous pricing when it does, they can hook people in with a great deal and try to shake them down later. I still encounter people who refuse…
I suspect this is the answer, and it's just "momentum". once you're at a location and you're doing considerable "stuff" the move becomes painful and $200 more a month doesn't seem a lot if you're a company, but if they do that every 6 months or so before you know it's $1000 a month
I think an order of magnitude more is not unusual. OP was being asked to pay $120K a year.
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#466This is my first post on Hacker News as I primarily just browse. This situation kept me intrigued, wanting to know how it would unfold. The Google Cloud situation and all these little happenings, including the proliferation of Gen AI into everything, make me long for the days when companies had their mainframes onsite, in closets or separate rooms, away from CDNs and cloud networks. It seems like a better idea to use…
Unfortunately it's difficult and expensive to scale those traditional solutions to the modern world of billions of internet users located all over the world. It's still quite slow to access a server on the other side of the globe. It's less noticeable for an american user accessing an american company's resources.
Does it matter for 90% of business?
I will say no, the vast majority of business is rather localized for very good reasons (as a starter, language/culture/legalese) so it is an unnecessary "feature" most of the time.
The reality is that manager drank the Kool-Aid and wants to pretend that they are Google/Facebook or the likes but almost no one else has this kind of scale.
Outside of tech behemoth nobody need that cloud bullshit.
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#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
Um, you literally wrote: ... the CEO’s strategy was to turn up here and criticise Google for not deindexing quickly enough. Isn't that "them blaming Google for their screw up"?
No, it is deflection. Very common tactic used to make it appear that someone else is more responsible than oneself.
Cool, good point. :)
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#468As far as I can tell, the issue with this is: OP runs a casino/gambling site. Gambling is a regulatory mess (I have spent far too long dealing with this as an RNG supplier), and so it's very hard to comply with every jurisdiction, and each one needs you to prove compliance to operate in that jurisdiction.* Gaming companies spend a lot on compliance and tracking, but since the internet is the internet, it's pretty har…
>The solution was to aggressively sell the Enterprise plan A demand for 120k upfront or else bad stuff happens is by no reasonable definition "selling", aggressive or otherwise
Sounds like something Sammy The Bull would be sent to do, not the sales team.
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#470At the moment the account got banned, I would guess that the CloudFlare sales team had this down as a "60% likely to close, estimated close in 6 weeks". There is just no reason they would suspect that they were going to lose the deal to Fastly at this moment. They were very much the default winner. Extortion or not, I just can't fathom that they ragequit the deal at this moment, because they were about to win it. It…
> It therefore seems likely that after looking into it they disqualified it as a business category which is against their TOS or whatever.
The first sales email is from a Cloudflare with “Gaming Division” in their email signature, so they were clearly aware of the nature of the customer’s business. Moreover, it seems they have an entire department dedicated to serving the gaming market.