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Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by TwoNineFive »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

> you really can't convince me the above is the result of a coherent company-wide strategy

Well that was an ignorant thing to say given how widely famously Microsoft implemented it's stack ranking system and the toxic culture it produced (as intended). This is exactly the result of that strategy. People who thought it had gone away are mostly parroting Microsoft propaganda. I live here in town with these people. You don't get hired without having "Microsoft morals". It's all a desperate gold rush to find out who is going to get promoted.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by vbezhenar »

spartanatreyu wrote: post #415
JohnFen wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really baffling, isn't it? A part of me wonders if Microsoft is simply unable to figure out how to make a good Windows search and so is looking for AI to do it for them. But it seems like shooting a mosquito with an elephant gun.

Microsoft has tried to make a "better" search before, by redesigning the file system and the metadata that can be tied to files. The idea was that you could search this: > the phone numbers of all persons who live in Acapulco and each have more than 100 appearances in my photo collection and with whom I have had e-mail within last month They had hyped this up as coming in Project Longhorn (which was eventually split…

They should implement simple search first, so I don't need to reach grep for everything. Then they should implement pdftotext and fuzzy search. Of course everything should work instantly for small folders. That would be enough for 99% people.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by dymk »

shmerl wrote: post #337
dymk wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a desktop operating sytem? Not the ones that value their time.

Yes, as a desktop operating system. Nothing else respects privacy really that would require less time. Or may be you have a suggestion?

How does macOS not respect your privacy? Be specific.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by neonsunset »

mardifoufs wrote: post #436
neonsunset wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You see, that just doesn't lend itself as nicely to tribal parroting of worse than mediocre developers here in the comments (if such people are able to code at all).

I mean you literally work on Dotnet, don't you? That's probably why you don't have issues with the naming. I agree that it's currently fine now that it stabilized on the core naming scheme, but I don't see how it was very confusing when there's stuff like ASP.NET Core on framework, and ASP.NET Core on Dotnet core... that's just confusing, especially since other ecosystems don't usually have such a weird naming scheme…

It’s only problem in the eyes of HN because it is low-effort complaint from people who never used .NET and simply repeat what they read elsewhere. It’s just a popular thing to do, to make negative comments like this.

Otherwise, this problem is completely made up in terms of anything that happened in last there-four years.

And no, I don’t work on .NET save for a few simple contributions.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by ericswpark »

bambax wrote: post #272

> We set out to solve one of the most frustrating problems we encounter daily – finding something we know we have seen before on our PC. Today, we must remember what file folder it was stored in, what website it was on, or scroll through hundreds of emails trying to find it. It is indeed frustrating that one still cannot search effectively a local device, but it doesn't need AI to solve. It needs a proper search engi…

They had a perfectly working search box in Windows 7, then gutted it and made it search the web whenever you wanted to launch Notepad.

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Post by geophph »

AdamH12113 wrote: post #229

Billions of dollars to cram "AI" down our throats, but they can't be bothered to get Excel back up to the level of quality and performance it had 20 years ago.

Still blows my mind that, in the year 2024, it is still unable to open two workbooks with the same name

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by notatoad »

TylerE wrote: post #252
isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Do you expect anything else from the company that introduced "Plays For Sure" branding over a wide ecosystem, only to kill the ENTIRE thing (not just the branding) less than 5 years later? (as in, all purchased content became unplayable)

Still one of the funniest pieces of corporate stupudity ever.

And not just because they killed it. Even when they introduced it, the "plays for sure" brand meant music that couldn't be played on the ipod or most mobile phones. That it quickly came to mean music that couldn't be played anywhere was just the icing on the cake.

Re: Introducing Copilot+ PCs

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Post by edgefield »

isoprophlex wrote: post #124

Their "copilot" brand is so weird and... muddled. There's the AI code assistant thing that github actually started, there's the horrible chatbot maker GUI demoware, there's AI stuff you might be able to do with your sharepoint (if only you could get hold of the right ms sales rep to take your money), there's an app that does genai things on your personal MS account... And now there's a Surface rebrand? That org chart…

Yes, and additionally the Copilot 360 user interface is a mess, processing time is slow, and the quality of results is poor. Using the Chat GPT or Claude interface produces much quicker/better results.
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