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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by int_19h »

jacobsimon wrote: post #248
int_19h wrote: post #175

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If that is the case, why hasn't Google caught up yet?

Is Google significantly behind? I would say from a technological perspective, they're very closely trailing or even surpassing OpenAI in many ways; they've built a formidable ChatGPT competitor in Gemini—not to mention they have a huge home court advantage with billions of people on Search, Chrome, Android, and G Suite. If you zoom out a bit, it's not really a fair fight between the two. More likely, Apple and Micros…

When you push either model to its limits, yes, Google is pretty far behind GPT-4 with Gemini.

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Post by t4ng0pwn3d »

_nalply wrote: post #444
OtomotO wrote: post #437

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I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI. I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even som…

I think what's missing: - A possibility to fact-check the text, for example by the Wolfram math engine or by giving internet access - Something like an instinct to fight for life (seems dangerous) - some more subsystems: let's have a look a the brain: there's the amygdala, the cerebellum, the hippocampus, and so on, and there must be some evolutionary need for these parts

AGI can’t be defined as autocomplete with fact checker and instinct to survive, there’s so so so much more hidden in that “subsystems point”. At least if we go by Bostroms definition…

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by Apocryphon »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #296
Apocryphon wrote: post #204

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That this was an employee who conspired against him in a failed palace coup

I think calling it a "palace coup" gives it an inappropriate framing of what happened. I definitely think that how the board handled the situation was very inept, and I think the naivety over the blowback they would receive was one of the most surprising things for me. But after reading more about the details of what happened, and particularly writings and interviews given by the former board members, I don't think a…

I'm not moralizing. There are palace coups that are justified.

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Post by yu3zhou4 »

zoogeny wrote: post #362

Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Jakub Pachocki is still in OpenAI though

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Post by x-complexity »

MassiveQuasar wrote: post #392
loopdoend wrote: post #388

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The amount of paperwork involved makes it unworkable

10B$ says you're wrong.

There is a vast underestimation of how tedious & time-intensive these tax credit programs are when applying for them. A large company can do so because they can hire the people to solely go after them; A new startup (with a headcount that can fit in one hand) is too busy in actually keeping the business alive to pursue these programs, which often times come with conditions too arbitrary for startups to fulfill.

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Post by jack_riminton »

rakejake wrote: post #305
delf wrote: post #70

Nvidia should snatch him.

I have a feeling Apple will make a play for him. Apple is considered to be seriously lagging behind in ML. Just his name alone is probably enough for the time being - They can give him his own lab to do whatever he wants. Ilya will attract enough talent, at least some of whom will be willing to take up responsibility over commercial stuff in the coming years.

I think so too, GTP-4o but replacing Siri would be world-changing for mobile

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Post by saithound »

vasco wrote: post #458
saithound wrote: post #449

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One last time, the claim is not that "Canada doesn't care". It's that it prefers it to the alternative of SV-style companies operating from Canada. Which is consistent both with data, facts on the ground (yes, Canada has laws and administrative processes designed to make SV-style startups difficult to start there, that's precisely what people complain about above!), and the comments of actual Canadians in this very t…

> Maybe the majority of Canadians think that (...) having Silicon Valley companies and people making SV salaries around epuld (sic) make their lives worse This is your claim that I engaged with. If your claim is true it literally means that Canadians do not care if those people leave, in fact they would prefer it. My argument is that you're wrong and Canada and it's people would rather have more tech workers and more…

I don't tuink it implies that they don't care, it only implies that they find it preferable to one certain alternative (staying AND turning Vancouver into north-SF; the conjunction is load-bearing), and I think this much looks true and well-supported by the facts and revealed preferences. They're not willing to change the rules and procedures that people complain about here, and if you propose they do so, as many have, they say no to that explicitly.

But I agree that we should probably disengage, so (barring exceptional new insights on my end) will leave this as my last post in the thread. Thanks for the chat.

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Post by baq »

zombiwoof wrote: post #73
wavelander wrote: post #4

Altman's tweet ( https://x.com/sama/status/1790518031640347056?s=46 ) makes it seem as if he wanted to stay, and Ilya disagreed and "chose" to depart. Very interesting framing.

Altman is the biggest con artist in tech.

Con artist is a bad description. The guy is legit dangerous. He's not after swindling you out of your money, that wouldn't be worth it.
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