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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by baja_blast »

rootusrootus wrote: post #446
gorbachev wrote: post #311

Regardless of whether there was foul play or not, it's looking pretty bad for Boeing. They, or someone else with a stake of protecting the company, killed someone, or they made someone so despaired he saw no other way than to kill himself.

> they made someone so despaired he saw no other way than to kill himself. Give the man some agency. If he chose to end his own life, that was his decision alone. And it may be entirely unrelated to Boeing. Maybe he would have done it anyway at this point in his life.

>Maybe he would have done it anyway at this point in his life.

You'd think after he was done with hearings, something he was been advocating and trying to have happen since 2017. Why would he do Boeing a favor and kill himself before he could inflict further damage to the company?

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by fullshark »

S_A_P wrote: post #384

What I don’t understand is how does Boeing expect to make the issues go away? Covering up the problems just kicks the can down the road. They still have shoddy planes out in the world. Is quarterly performance now more important than not having planes fall out of the sky somewhere later on? I guess I’m naive here.

Boeing isn't a person, it's a collection of individuals all trying to further their career. That's another executive's problem, their job is just to maximize their career earnings / potential while at boeing and then jump ship when the timing makes sense to.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by krapp »

arrowsmith wrote: post #366
krapp wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Please provide evidence that the term "mainstream media" has its origins in far right politics.

No one has claimed that the term "mainstream media" has its origins in far right politics. The claim made upthread is that the term "mainstream media" is a dogwhistle term often employed by the right wing.

I will not be providing evidence of that, as ample enough evidence for that can be found easily with a simple internet search.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by grouchomarx »

blast wrote: post #188

The timing is suspicious but that doesn't mean it wasn't suicide. If he was determined to kill himself there might be several reasons to do it today. Maybe he wanted to cast suspicion on Boeing. Or maybe he didn't want to testify - could be tons of reasons for that. I have no idea. Just saying the two events could be connected without it being murder.

>Maybe he wanted to cast suspicion on Boeing

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Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by PH95VuimJjqBqy »

hayst4ck wrote: post #361
lutoma wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I am a deeply liberal American. MSM is not a far right dog whistle in the US. Words are indirect references to ideas and don't have any meaning without a receiver. All of these words have to be contextualized based on the speaker and receiver. The right are known for lying with the truth which makes a good amount of their rhetoric stick. Washington is a swamp, almost any American will agree no matter which side, that…

> The right are known for lying with the truth which makes a good amount of their rhetoric stick.

replace right with humans, the left is also known for lying, which is why both sides are constantly bitching at each other.

The extremes of both sides are just as shitty. One side would create harm via religion, the other side via reputation destruction.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by tempaccount420 »

rmbyrro wrote: post #410
LastTrain wrote: post #395

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I’m not going to speculate but here is the most wild and unfounded bit of speculation I can think of…”

"That's the problem with speculation (...)", which is: it's used to discredit the most plausible explanations.

It's poisoning the well when others are arguing in good faith with reasonable explanations.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by GordonS »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #432
dehrmann wrote: post #164

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I'm not convinced. Boeing doesn't want more attention, depositions are stressful, and whistleblowers are predisposed to martyrdom. If you're Boeing, this doesn't make the problem go away, it makes it worse .

Boeing doesn't order assasinations. If he was assasinated, it might have been someone at Boeing, who still has a clean slate but knows that the whistleblower knows something he did, and has the right connections from working for a defense contractor.

I wouldn't be so sure. It's well documented that the CIA take a "keen interest" in Boeing (and indeed that European security services do so with Airbus), undertaking corporate espionage and sabotage on their behalf. They consider aerospace to be "strategic" or some such.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by andrei_says_ »

baja_blast wrote: post #461
rootusrootus wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they made someone so despaired he saw no other way than to kill himself. Give the man some agency. If he chose to end his own life, that was his decision alone. And it may be entirely unrelated to Boeing. Maybe he would have done it anyway at this point in his life.

>Maybe he would have done it anyway at this point in his life. You'd think after he was done with hearings, something he was been advocating and trying to have happen since 2017. Why would he do Boeing a favor and kill himself before he could inflict further damage to the company?

Inflict damage or have the company wake up to its duty to safety and realign with its original intentions?

I see whistleblowing as a call to integrity and healing, not an act of personal retribution.

Re: Boeing whistleblower found dead in US

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Post by mrguyorama »

Tabular-Iceberg wrote: post #448
bilekas wrote: post #322

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> suicide due to mental health makes zero sense. I hope this is just bad phrasing and will assume you mean just for this whistleblowers case. We don't know though. Assassination AFTER the whistleblower information has been released and is now out in the open really doesn't make any sense to me though. As conspiracies go, its not even humorous.

I’ve seen enough vindictive behavior in corporate structures that if assassination is on the table at all, so is assassination after the cat has been let out of the bag. That said suicide due to extreme demoralization is also a plausible explanation.

You don't have to assassinate the whistleblower, but merely extra-judicially harass them as much as physically possible and let whatever happens happen.

Boeing may not have needed/wanted him dead, but managers have done plenty of petty bullshit retaliation before, for far far less.

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