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Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by calf »

spacemark wrote: post #374
miketery wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spoke to someone who works there about a year ago. I was trying to gauge how an insider viewed the Max problem related to the auto trim issue which caused two airplanes [1][2] to crash, killing 346 people. This was shortly after watching the documentary Downfall: The Case Against Boeing [3]. The ignorance and non acceptance of fault made me cringe. I won't go into the details, but this wasn't a freak accident this…

All valid points, but I wonder if you've overshot your response to this (very slight) increase of risk to your personal safety. The statistical safety of aviation is the best it has ever been - 2023 set yet another record low for commercial aviation deaths and injuries. Your automobile trip to the grocery store is far riskier.

Other people don't just care about themselves, they care that 400 people might randomly die in the future for no valid reason.

It's a sophisticated form of empathy, not everyone growing up learns it.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by justinclift »

cameldrv wrote: post #457
pirate787 wrote: post #427

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Also I'd contact your favorite airlines and demand that they retire their MAX planes. https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/airline-consumer-...

The 737MAX is not going away. There are about 1400 of them flying and another 6000 orders. Boeing obviously has some serious quality problems that need to get fixed, but since the grounding in 2019, the MAX has done something like 1.5 million flights with no fatalities. This is worth fixing, but it's not dangerous enough to change your travel plans. You're way more likely to die from COVID you caught on the plane tha…

> it's not dangerous enough to change your travel plans.

They keep having new critical safety issues. :(

That latest one only didn't end up with fatalities due to luck, it could just as easily have gone the other way.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by crazytony »

dawnerd wrote: post #415
Fischgericht wrote: post #410

I find it puzzling that airlines are still ordering this plane. It's not just us, the customers, who should "vote with their feet", but the airlines, too. I would not buy from a vendor that is not able to have a QA process that makes sure all screws and bolts are in place, fastened and secured. Even if it would not be an airplane where this is critical for safety, even if it would just be a toaster, I would stop buyi…

What choice do they have? If they switch to Airbus they’re going to be waiting until at least 2030. They could buy used but that’s goes against why airlines are ordering new planes to begin with. And that’s not factoring in the maintenance cost in switching manufacturers. Thats why you’ll see airlines be a Boeing or Airbus only fleet.

The counter point to operating one type is on display here: if the regulator grounds the type, your whole airline is stuck.

The only thing that eliminates/highlights issues is time. The 320 and 220 are faced with major engine issues and groundings due to looks at notes not QAing the metal powder used in the sintering process for over 8 years.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by crazytony »

pc86 wrote: post #449
datadeft wrote: post #434

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Do you think it is better to buy a plane that potentially going to be grounded than wait?

Yes, because you get revenue from a plane that is "potentially" going to be grounded, and you don't get anything from sitting around.

and the manufacturer can be held liable for lost revenue so even if the AC is grounded, you can get some $$$

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by crazytony »

weaksauce wrote: post #438
Fischgericht wrote: post #410

I find it puzzling that airlines are still ordering this plane. It's not just us, the customers, who should "vote with their feet", but the airlines, too. I would not buy from a vendor that is not able to have a QA process that makes sure all screws and bolts are in place, fastened and secured. Even if it would not be an airplane where this is critical for safety, even if it would just be a toaster, I would stop buyi…

> And finally: It goes beyond my comprehension that someone would decide to build a version of the voice recorder specifically for the US that only stores 2 hours of voice, while the international version of the same plane stores 25. What kind of cost reduction per unit is that, $1 per airplane? Having two different models to "certify", produce and warehouse just to save a dollar or something per unit does not sound…

yes. It wasn't about cost at all. It's the same reason there are no cameras on the flight deck.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by Sakos »

hentrep wrote: post #459

I booked a flight on United yesterday, well after this latest Boeing incident. After looking more carefully, they have me on a 737 MAX 9. I haven’t kept up with the latest, but I thought all of these planes were grounded. Am I missing something, or am I just setting myself up for a canceled flight next week?

Only planes with the type of door that failed on the Alaskan airlines flight are grounded.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

flerchin wrote: post #453
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #275

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A door came flying off at 16k feet. They found a bunch of planes with loose bolts. On a plane with a history of problems built by a company with a history of problems. No one died this time. But hundreds died last time. Nothing will stop Boeing except money. People not wanting to fly this plane will change airlines purchasing decisions. Boeing will feel the pain.

What has you focusing on this aircraft over, eg, the Airbus A330, which has killed a similar number of people?

The event just happened.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by Sakos »

is_true wrote: post #429
WalterBright wrote: post #310

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Boeing stock is down substantially. That will get their attention.

10% doesn't seem much. I was expecting it to be worse

The market (correctly) assumes that the FAA won't make any decisions that might endanger Boeing financially in any really significant way that might turn into an existential threat.

Re: Is my plane a 737 MAX?

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Post by frumper »

hentrep wrote: post #459

I booked a flight on United yesterday, well after this latest Boeing incident. After looking more carefully, they have me on a 737 MAX 9. I haven’t kept up with the latest, but I thought all of these planes were grounded. Am I missing something, or am I just setting myself up for a canceled flight next week?

I've seen reports that the airlines are hopeful they'll be back in service by early next week. At the very least they need to go through enhanced inspections, and those inspections don't seem finalized on how to perform them yet. The best answer is, no one knows.
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