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FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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I am not going to defend execs/board members, but that seems ill advised. If you had a death penalty for execs, most competent people would refuse the job, and you'd end up in a worse situation.

Where are the competent people taking the job now?

Airbus? The death penalty would apply to them too, presumably.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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Would this door incident be specific to the 737 Max, or just general Boeing shoddiness?

I thought the main big difference about the Max was the engines, and the ensuing software fixes to aerodynamics. But would the doors be very different to other modern 737s?

Im wondering if focusing on the Max is a red herring and this is potentially indicative of issues with many more 737s. #armchair-aviation-geek

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Interesting timeline. Following the two fatal crashes involving the MCAS system and the 737 Max … The FAA gave Boeing until Dec of 2022 to implement a fix. The fix was to reconfigure the 737 Max with 2 sensors (instead of one) and include an manual shutoff Guess what happened? Boeing didn’t fix anything.. instead they cried to congress that the fix is too expensive and they cannot get it done. So what happens is cong…

Fortunately, Boeings work on the 737 MAX was independently checked by non-US aviation authorities who aren't subject to US Congress provisions.

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I have made the decision that unless I absolutely can’t avoid it I am avoiding Boeing for the near future entirely. But a 737 max is full no go for me no matter what the situation is. I will do multiple stops before stepping foot on one. Personally I fly exclusively JetBlue in the US and they use Airbus almost exclusively. They have a few of whatever that other brand is. No Boeing.

Please don’t read this as a defense of Boeing, especially the MAX series aircraft, but from a flyer-safety standpoint the statistics show most Boeing aircraft in operation today are extremely safe. The post-200 series 737s, not including the MAX, have some of the largest accumulated flight miles and lowest incident rates of any aircraft ever. The 777 and 747-400 also have exceptional safety records. Even the aging 75…

I assume that a lot of people here want to avoid the 737s not necessarily because they're scared for their lives, but as a way to show disapproval to Boeing. Like, I won't avoid flying a 737 Max if it's the only option for flying, but I generally prefer to pick a different manufacturer if it's available. On a large scale, many people avoiding a specific aircraft model puts pressure on airlines to not start or continue ordering said model.

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Most Airbus manufacturing happens in or near big cities like Toulouse, Hamburg, and Seville. These cities have plenty of engineering talent and plenty of colleges, universities, and other companies creating and nurturing this talent. Meanwhile most Boeing manufacturing seems to be taking place in rural areas (or "flyover states" as you Americans put it). This is of course because of the local and state subsidies that…

Traditional engineering in the US pays pretty poorly, not enough to live comfortably in T1 cities. My civil, chemical, and mechanical engineering friends all live and work in “fly over” states for major multinationals.

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Google bought DoubleClick in 2008. Pretty much everything they started after that point has failed because the focus has been on selling ads rather than building something normal people enjoy using.

On the other hand how much of the things Google has built/bought and grew today we enjoy could exist without the firehose of money that ads represented? I'm not sure Youtube happens without the ad money.

AdWords was doing just fine before DoubleClick. That's how they got the money to buy DoubleClick in the first place.

The problem was specifically DoubleClick management, who then got inserted in high levels within the Ads organization, forcing out the very technically & economically savvy people who were there before.

This is a recurring problem in large organizations. People who spend their time learning to be politically savvy will be...politically savvy, and be at an advantage when playing power politics that determines who is in charge. The effort needed to become politically savvy usually comes at the expense of domain/technical/economic knowledge required to actually get the job done. Eventually the organization becomes very good at playing political games and very bad at getting stuff done, until it collapses.

Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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I have booked a 10 hours flight to NYC with Americna Airlines and I think the craft is a 772-boeing 777. Should it be OK? I am scared now...

The ancients reached for divination methods when reason failed them. You on the other hand can write a quick python script with a random number source in it.

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Re: FAA orders grounding of more than 170 Boeing 737 Max 9s

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post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google bought DoubleClick in 2008. Pretty much everything they started after that point has failed because the focus has been on selling ads rather than building something normal people enjoy using.

On the other hand how much of the things Google has built/bought and grew today we enjoy could exist without the firehose of money that ads represented? I'm not sure Youtube happens without the ad money.

Yes, ad money built a lot of the web. I’m not saying it’s evil on a conceptual level, but rather that a lot of companies start failing when they switch from thinking about what their users would like which happen to be ad supported as opposed to building products which are designed around ad revenue first. It’s what gives you things like Google+ but also things like social media sites optimizing for outrage or other low-quality interactions which maximize ad sales revenue.

YouTube has obviously done well, but look at everything they’ve done since the ad sales mentality dominated their thinking. Stuff like Google+ happens when you are thinking “we need X to keep Facebook from cutting into our ad revenue, therefore our users will use X” rather than asking “what will our users like more than Facebook?”.

The other side is what we saw with things like Stadia, GCP, or G-Suite where executives used to the ad model have trouble with other business models. The problem there again isn’t that ads are evil but rather that you need to understand your users and what they want so you can think about the product the right way.

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