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Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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post #248

Can someone explain to me why a company that is about streaming mp3s needs 9500 employees? That just sounds extremely inefficient to me. They don't even have native desktop apps.

I'm wondering what it is that they're doing all day. The spotify app randomly changes, and if so, rarely for the better. I'd wager spotify could benefit from X' style layoffs.

It hardly whips the llama's ass.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Should have fired 80% of their employees years ago when service was reasonably feature complete. Not that I don't sympathize with people getting laid off, but feels like past a certain point, more heads changes products faster than can be fixed, and sometimes moving fast degrades what shouldn't have been changed in the first place. NPR acquisition drama aside, pocketcast has like 25 employees that makes the service s…

At every company I've worked at, there are things we want to do that nearly everybody think are a good idea. But we can't do them all, because we have limited capital. So we have to be very strategic.

Spotify has developed a huge surface area, because they are attempting to be the one-stop shop for all things audio. The thesis is that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, and that's what they're selling to investors. That means there are countless bets they could be making at any one time, to compete with everybody else out there.

For a company of Spotify's stature, when capital is cheap, they can raise the money to do all the things, all at once. They don't have to make prioritization choices. Usually this means many dozens of teams, which each seem pretty lean if you zoom in. Like, I'm guessing there's a team of 3ish developing the in-app lyrics experience, or something like that. The scale is in how many of these bets are going at once.

The capital markets have changed, and now Spotify (like many others) has to constrain its bets. The thesis hasn't changed, but their capacity to try to prove it out isn't as limitless as before.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like you’re implying something but I don’t get it.

The implication I see is that the $200M was not worth it. I don't know their financials, but it seems quite unlikely that a single podcast would be worth that valuation.

People have been saying the same thing about Howard Stern and his very large Sirius contract. And yet, SiriusXM keeps re-signing him.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Why do these mass layoffs keep happening in the software industry? Or is this a global phenomenon that exists across all industries?

A lot of these companies have people doing no real work, even afterwards of layoffs, they're bloated. You can't layoff essential people otherwise you die.

You can look at companies like Spotify and Twitter, they ship like one feature a year if you average.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think the employees do? I imagine there's a big team dedicated to getting inventory on the service through negotiations with music producers around the world. You'd need to keep them to continue expanding, adding newly produced music, and re-negotiating expiring deals. There will be a large editorial team producing playlists, curation, tuning the algorithm with expertise, etc. That all needs to be localis…

Yea I worked at groupon when it was taking off and we had around 200 sales ppl calling up and negotiating deals with local business. Everyone back then used to ask me the same question: Why does groupon have 500 ppl, isnt' it just a wordpress site.

It is a shame for Chicago that groupon didn't continue to find success. I really think that if they had continued to grow the Chicago tech scene would be significantly larger than it is today.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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post #425

>Severance pay: We will start with a baseline for all employees, with the average employee receiving approximately five months of severance. This will be calculated based on local notice period requirements and employee tenure. Is this a super vague way of saying we're letting go of the senior people with tenure first. The average severance being five months implies that most people being let go probably aren't the p…

Some countries have longer notice periods. If you would work for Spotify in Switzerland, after 2 years you have 2 months notice. Given the period must starts with a new month (by law), your notice would start on 1st January. Adter 10 years its 3 months, where 5 months severance pay (as i understand it) would "only" cover at least 2 additional months.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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Post-pandemic, the trend of Corporations raking in higher and higher profits, while needing fewer and fewer staff scares me.

The most obvious and likely outcome is it drastically separates the ultra wealthy from middle class.

With rise of AI and automation, that trend will likely accelerate. The top 10% hold more than 50% of wealth. It's likely in a few decades, the top 1% will hold more than 50% of the wealth. They already hold 28% of wealth.

https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2022/10/the-wealthiest-0-1-o...

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=UdXz

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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post #282

Reminds me of: "Nobody ever got fired for buying cloud". Spotify was a stand-out, almost no large tech company bought into cloud like they did, and everyone said the same thing: "It's not our core competence, it would require more people". I get it, it's not sexy at all to deal in infrastructure, but I've seen their cloud bill and it's significantly higher than 1,600 peoples jobs, even with the discounts they got thr…

Generally I agree with what your saying, but

> I've seen their cloud bill and it's significantly higher than 1,600 peoples jobs

An apples-to-apples comparison requires looking at all associated costs of switching to on prem (salaries, hardware, etc...).

I've only been a part of this analysis at a company dealing with a cloud bill in the low tens of millions, nowhere near the scale of Spotify (and I'm still relatively new to all of this).

> And cloud has a lot more lock-in than most employees.

It's a shame there are not better abstractions to facilitate moving to and fro.

Re: Spotify will reduce total headcount by approximately 17%

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post #66
post #7

I wonder how those losing their jobs feel about Spotify's reported $200 million investment in Joe Rogan now.

As a scientist working in public health, this decision burned my faith in Spotify. They were taking down conspiracy theory podcasts daily while bankrolling Rogan to provide a platform with insane reach for cranks like Robert Malone. I cancelled my subscription for a few months in protest.

"for a few months" - so you went back. Honest question - what is Spotify doing so well that you went back rather than just sticking with, say, Apple Music?
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