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Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by guappa »

heimidal wrote: post #177
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #145

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>I would absolutely refuse to give every vendor my address just to see a price. How does it work now? If you don't give your address, but the price depends on your address, how does the store know how much to charge you? If you don't have to give your ID then surely you just say you're from the lowest tax location?

Tax depends on the location the item is shipped to.

So if you buy groceries and then live in a different tax area, you have a customs office to pay the extra tax?

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #200
PeterStuer wrote: post #199

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The store knows what to charge, they chose not to put it on the shelf label. When prices change, people change the shelf label, whether it is paper or ePaper tags is irrelevant to having the tax added in or not. What seems 'bonkers' to you has been standard practice in most of the world for decades.

> When prices change, people change the shelf label This isn't free. That's someone's time and energy spent on something I, as the consumer, don't care about. Why? I'd much rather have that person available to help, ready at the counter or frankly at home or in a park enjoying their life. What has meaning for you doesn't for me. I don't value having a precise price at selection versus purchase. At all. Like most Amer…

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Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by RecycledEle »

I am tired of new names for old crimes

If a company advertised one price then charges another price, that is false advertising and fraud.

Why pass a new law against hidden fees?

Just prosecute the crooks under the laws we have had since our nation was founded.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by lern_too_spel »

graftak wrote: post #459
lern_too_spel wrote: post #412

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You can't run a national "$5 footlong" or "dollar menu" national ad campaign if some states charge taxes on prepared food and some don't, and of those states that charge taxes, some require tax inclusive pricing and some don't. Tax-inclusive pricing isn't something that can be solved with a state law.

Even if you have a big asterix there for that special tax excluded from the price occasion it will already make lives a lot easier. Such a weird hill to die on.

An even bigger issue is internet purchases and car purchases. Cars are taxed at the local sales tax rate of where the buyer lives. Internet sales are taxed at the state sales tax rate where the buyer lives.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by kwhitefoot »

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #392
kwhitefoot wrote: post #167

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That's the restaurant's problem not mine.

Clearly you haven't learned the lesson of not fucking with those who make your food.

if the place is that bad I wouldn't want to go back anyway.

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Post by devilbunny »

hot_gril wrote: post #420
devilbunny wrote: post #403

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Cash costs money to process, too. I want the manager to have to run to the bank several times a day to get fresh change and deposit cash, tearing out their hair from frustration, for imposing such an annoying requirement.

Oh that cash isn't going to the bank, at least not all of it.

No, no, definitely not. I'm talking about the parts they can't hide as easily.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by snovv_crash »

heimidal wrote: post #432
snovv_crash wrote: post #417

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Localized advertising is the obvious answer.

“Local” advertising is not practical. There are 13,000 sales tax jurisdictions in the US.

Sounds to me like the US needs harmonized tax laws?

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Post by snovv_crash »

olliej wrote: post #454
snovv_crash wrote: post #417

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Localized advertising is the obvious answer.

there are in the region of 100 different in the SF Bay Area alone. I drive through at least 10 in my daily commute. Localized advertising as you put it, with included tax info, cannot work for: TV, radio, billboards, internet advertising, and is not useful to consumers for seat advertising, bus stops, etc. Circulars only work because they can be printed in large numbers and delivered cheaply because they are delivere…

Wait, are you saying that false advertising should be allowed because it makes junk mail cheaper to produce?

If the tax people were paying was transparent it would help people to comparison shop where they paid lower prices. I really see it as win-win.

And even if there was a carve-out for non-location-specific advertising, at a bare minimum brick and mortar stores (and restaurants) should display the prices they actually expect you to pay.

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

graftak wrote: post #458
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #424

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I don’t want taxes hidden inside the price of an item. It’s much better for consumers (and voters) to be aware of how much of each purchase goes to taxes.

It’s on the receipt. And everyone where I live knows what the sales tax percentages are (there are two brackets).

I have no idea where you live, but it's great that it's on your receipt.

Re: Bill to ban hidden fees in California signed into law

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Post by heimidal »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #442
heimidal wrote: post #183

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I'm curious, do books have prices printed on them in the UK? Here in the US, the suggested retail price (pre-tax, obviously) is generally printed by the manufacturer on the back or inside the dust cover of every book.

Yes, books have RRP (recommended retail price). That price includes all taxes.

Gotcha. In the US, if you tried to keep that system, you’d need a different printed MSRP per tax nexus and books in warehouses would no longer be fungible.
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