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Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by firebat45 »

magicalhippo wrote: post #357
rs999gti wrote: post #226

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Simple fix then, ban reselling. The artist and TM still get the revenue, but the scalper gets inventory they can't move. What about the fans? Similar to airlines, let people buy standby tickets, at the event, check attendance, if there is space let the stand bys in. TM still gets paid twice, scalper has garbage, and fans get in. What about fans who can't go? Buy the insurance at checkout, if you can't go the insuranc…

> Simple fix then, ban reselling. In Norway they introduced a law[1] that forbids reselling for a higher price than that printed on the ticket. I do recall there was a lot of talk about scalping in the years before this law, and I haven't heard much since. I also noticed a drastic decrease of scalpers trying to sell tickets outside the venue. [1]: https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/2007-06-29-86

>In Norway they introduced a law[1] that forbids reselling for a higher price than that printed on the ticket.

For sale, desirable ticket at face value and $500 peanut. Only willing to sell as a bundle.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by autoexec »

kortilla wrote: post #447
autoexec wrote: post #218

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> and it would make sure people who desperately wanted it could get it. I fail to see how making toilet paper cost hundreds or thousands of dollars per roll would ensure that everyone who needed it would be able to get it, since many of those who desperately wanted to wipe their ass were unable to work and going into record amounts of debt just to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. Producers and sell…

None of what you said makes any sense. Who would pay thousands per roll? Why would the price be that high? Also, you’re incorrect about producers having the right incentives. They are incentivized by money, not a higher calling to wipe ass. Price controls have no place at all other than appealing to people’s emotions. They cannot fix or hide supply problems. They can just shift the price signal to lucky intermediarie…

> Why would the price be that high?

You said: "the price of toilet paper should have been increased by an order of magnitude at the store level. This would prevent hoarding". How high do you think the price per roll would have to be to ensure that no one (not even rich people or a small group of rich people working together) could afford to buy up a pallet of toilet paper to try to resell at a higher price? It'd have to be pretty damn expensive. Expensive enough to price out most people since a millionaire can afford to pay so much more than someone making below minimum wage

> Also, you’re incorrect about producers having the right incentives. They are incentivized by money, not a higher calling to wipe ass.

Read my comment again, I never said anything about a "higher calling". I explicitly said that their incentive was profit.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by mym1990 »

kazinator wrote: post #285
mym1990 wrote: post #276

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Instead of banning resale, why not just allow resale at face value? The French open(tennis) does this and makes it possible to still get tickets at a reasonable price up until the day of the event.

Because you don't handle the money. If A shows up to the concert with tickets originally purchased by B, you have no idea how much A paid. Banning resale is not about selling per se but banning the changing of ownership. The person who paid is verified to be the one attending.

What? In my example, Person B buys the change of ownership from person A at face value...its pretty clear how much they each paid.

Absolutely no resale is just shifting the risk to the consumer, and affecting the 99% of people who want to see a good show. If the agency takes away the profit of resale, while still collecting a small fee on change of ownership, and allows customers to have flexibility in changing circumstances...its a win win win.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by ukoki »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #418
Fatnino wrote: post #373

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Seems to me they could ban resales by making there be a name attached to each ticket. Just like the airlines. You need ID matching your ticket to get into the venue. No more scalpers.

They’re already doing that and it’s disgusting.

it's no different from airline tickets

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by ukoki »

rahimnathwani wrote: post #5
xnx wrote: post #3

Based on nothing, I think tickets for high-demand events should be allocated: 1/3 first-come first-serve for in-person sales (you pay with your time), 1/3 random assignment (you have to get lucky), 1/3 auction to highest bidder (pay with your money).

The article addresses the problem with random assignment: each scalper can enter the lottery hundreds of times, but each regular person can enter only once.

Just have the lottery entry application ask a name. Then check IDs on the door

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by anthonypasq »

habosa wrote: post #320

Some of my favorite bands have done simple things which drastically (but not completely) reduce the levels of scalping. On a previous tour, Wilco made tickets only valid for the original holder with matching photo ID at the door. So I couldn’t sell my ticket. I was able to bring any guest I wanted with my second ticket though. For a while now Phish has done tickets via lottery and all tickets come in the physical mai…

This entire "scandal" is simply a variety of bizarre tactics and discussions to get around the fact that people expect to be able to see the most popular musicians on the entire planet for $40. No one expects to be able to go to the super bowl for $40 but for some reason people think they should be able to see Taylor Swift?

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by cbsmith »

logbiscuitswave wrote: post #445
cbsmith wrote: post #311

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They did do this. It was completely compromised by scalpers.

Yup, this. The Cure tried really hard to make ticket sales for their latest tour as fair as possible. “Verified fan” sales only, resales disallowed (except where required by law), not allowing dynamic “Platinum” (aka airline ticket) pricing, transfers not allowed, face value resale only, no added fees. They also had their tickets go for extremely reasonable prices (like, $200 for front row tickets down to $25 for the…

"Novel" in the sense of, "they've been doing that for at least the last few years". ;-)

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by throw9away6 »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #344
lolinder wrote: post #327

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The scalpers are often affiliated with the artists, directly or indirectly. Katy Perry's contract was leaked in 2011 and she had reserved the right to sell tickets through "Resellers" [0]. And as the grandparent notes, many of the scalpers sell their tickets on Ticketmaster, which in turn has a contract with the artists. The artists would get more in the short term, but all this outrage that's currently directed at s…

That Katy Perry contract solves a large piece of this puzzle for me - if we are selling to scalpers direct then there has to be a deniable way for the scalers to have got the tickets another way - for example confusing ticket purchase processes

That’s how Nike does it too

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by kazinator »

mym1990 wrote: post #463
kazinator wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you don't handle the money. If A shows up to the concert with tickets originally purchased by B, you have no idea how much A paid. Banning resale is not about selling per se but banning the changing of ownership. The person who paid is verified to be the one attending.

What? In my example, Person B buys the change of ownership from person A at face value...its pretty clear how much they each paid. Absolutely no resale is just shifting the risk to the consumer, and affecting the 99% of people who want to see a good show. If the agency takes away the profit of resale, while still collecting a small fee on change of ownership, and allows customers to have flexibility in changing circu…

> its pretty clear how much they each paid

By what surveillance method is this?

Or you mean there is a locked down trading platform, and only there can tickets be traded? What prevents additional money from changing hands via an off-platform backchannel?

A law could discourage that, like the one in Norway your sibling comment pointed out.

Re: Why scalpers can get tickets

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Post by myroon5 »

anthonypasq wrote: post #466
habosa wrote: post #320

Some of my favorite bands have done simple things which drastically (but not completely) reduce the levels of scalping. On a previous tour, Wilco made tickets only valid for the original holder with matching photo ID at the door. So I couldn’t sell my ticket. I was able to bring any guest I wanted with my second ticket though. For a while now Phish has done tickets via lottery and all tickets come in the physical mai…

This entire "scandal" is simply a variety of bizarre tactics and discussions to get around the fact that people expect to be able to see the most popular musicians on the entire planet for $40. No one expects to be able to go to the super bowl for $40 but for some reason people think they should be able to see Taylor Swift?

Taylor Swift concerts are much more common than super bowls. Maybe a playoff game is a better analogy? ;)
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