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Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

cachvico wrote: post #457
lapcat wrote: post #256

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> Can you provide a source for your claim? "Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast network go down because some application messed up" is literally a quote from Steve Jobs. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2007/01/steve-jobs-knows-bes... https://www.engadget.com/2007-01-11-jobs-confirms-iphone-is-... https://www.zdnet.com/article/steve-jobs-the-iphone-and-open... https://archive.nytimes.com/bits.blogs.nytimes.c…

Interesting - thanks! Seems odd to imagine a userspace app could take down a carrier network.

2.5G and 3G networks were bad at the time, and many phone plans that included data had unlimited data. The only thing that kept them up was the fact that so few people had data-capable smart phones.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by OkGoDoIt »

latexr wrote: post #442
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #105

While I share the author's fear, the timeline they created doesn't really work. 1. Windows 10 S has mostly been a failure. 2. Web Environment Integrity, while horrifying, has not been rolled into Chrome! It's an early proposal. We should work to ensure it goes nowhere. 3. The above greatly pushes out the plausible timeline for events currently listed next to 2024, 2027, 2028, 2029, 2031, and 2032. An aside, I don't f…

> 2016 – Apple hides option to allow unsigned apps from the Mac GUI. Are you referring to System Settings? There was always a more convenient option which continues to work: right-click and select “Open”. Granted, you have to know that’s a solution and most people don’t (including developers, who recommend cumbersome methods in the documentation of their own apps), but the option was never removed nor is it hard to d…

I think having to right click and select “open” is effectively hiding the option from the GUI, since the assumption would be that does the same thing as double clicking. The whole point of a GUI is to be discoverable, and that workaround is very much not obvious or discoverable. If you right clicked and it said “open regardless of security concerns“ or something like that, then maybe it would qualify. The original article says the option was hidden from the GUI, not that it’s impossible to do.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by latexr »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #462
latexr wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2016 – Apple hides option to allow unsigned apps from the Mac GUI. Are you referring to System Settings? There was always a more convenient option which continues to work: right-click and select “Open”. Granted, you have to know that’s a solution and most people don’t (including developers, who recommend cumbersome methods in the documentation of their own apps), but the option was never removed nor is it hard to d…

I think having to right click and select “open” is effectively hiding the option from the GUI, since the assumption would be that does the same thing as double clicking. The whole point of a GUI is to be discoverable, and that workaround is very much not obvious or discoverable. If you right clicked and it said “open regardless of security concerns“ or something like that, then maybe it would qualify. The original ar…

> I think having to right click (…) then maybe it would qualify.

Yes, I said so myself that it isn’t discoverable:

> Granted, you have to know that’s a solution and most people don’t

But once you know it it’s quite easy and within reach.

> The original article says the option was hidden from the GUI, not that it’s impossible to do.

I wasn’t replying to the original article; I was replying to a comment, in specific the text I quoted.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by nwellinghoff »

walteweiss wrote: post #426
nwellinghoff wrote: post #365

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Would be nice to have a Linux phone where one could run ios and google android in a vm. Same way I run my computer. Level 1 hypervisor and all flavors on top. Max control, max options, max nerd.

Oh, do you mind elaborating on this? I’m looking for a way to organise my PC with similar approach. I thought of minimal Arch Linux installation as a host, and macOS (or Windows for very special cases) on top, when I need those GUI apps that aren’t present in Linux. I see no need to keep Linux apps in a VM.

Proxmox with gpu pass through can do windows, macos and the various linux platforms with very little performance loss.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by diego_sandoval »

jamaicahest wrote: post #432
Daril wrote: post #328

There is hope: - 20 years ago it was impossible to buy a PC, especially a laptop, without MS Windows : today there are several suppliers: System76, LaptopWithLinux, TuxedoComputers, to name but a few. - It is only in the last few years (less than 10) that Linux is perfectly usable on the desktop, so I don't care what decision MS will take for Windows, it is irrelevant if you have other options. For office suites we h…

> - use an open source version of Android on your phone, without the Google services Having tried this many times over the last 10 years, I have never encountered a stable, non-vendor Android distribution for any of my phones. Oh there are always multiple available Android images for most popular phones, however in my experience they are always unstable in ways that make them too much of a hassle to use. I have exper…

In the phone ecosystem, you have to choose the OS you want, and then buy a phone that is compatible with that OS.

If you buy a random phone and then try to find a compatible OS, your options will be very limited, or null.

GrapheneOS is, in my opinion, the most mature, serious, and reliable phone operating system, so I bought myself a Google Pixel specifically so that I could install GrapheneOS on it.

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

OkGoDoIt wrote: post #462
latexr wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2016 – Apple hides option to allow unsigned apps from the Mac GUI. Are you referring to System Settings? There was always a more convenient option which continues to work: right-click and select “Open”. Granted, you have to know that’s a solution and most people don’t (including developers, who recommend cumbersome methods in the documentation of their own apps), but the option was never removed nor is it hard to d…

I think having to right click and select “open” is effectively hiding the option from the GUI, since the assumption would be that does the same thing as double clicking. The whole point of a GUI is to be discoverable, and that workaround is very much not obvious or discoverable. If you right clicked and it said “open regardless of security concerns“ or something like that, then maybe it would qualify. The original ar…

^ Yes, this is what I meant by "hidden from the GUI". Apple is purposefully obscuring the process. If you double click, the OS tells you "this Application is damaged" which is at best leaving out key information and at worst deliberately misleading.

As I said in my original comment—I'm not necessarily against these changes in isolation. I think macOS handles the balance reasonably well. However, if you take these changes together, the throughline is clear. We went from "don't worry, Gatekeeper is entirely optional and easy to turn off" when it was first introduced to "don't worry, advanced users who can use the Terminal or know the specific hidden incantation can still bypass Gatekeeper."

Re: The boiling frog of digital freedom

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Post by Alifatisk »

Towaway69 wrote: post #244
Alifatisk wrote: post #200

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Even though it is a myth, the message of it is still good!

The irony is that we invent a myth to explain our own fallacies, pointing to the frog and claiming we're not alone. Yet the truth is that we are alone!

That’s mind blowing actually
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