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TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Ah the good old whataboutism. Here's some counter-whataboutism: what about the Korean and Vietnam wars (the Soviet Union even sent their own pilots with the jets), and countless other smaller conflicts in Africa? The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc were pumping weapons into those conflicts or have been invading themselves to support "their side". Same with Russia in Syria btw. At least the free west is upfront and…

The main reason that propaganda and dehumanization are such a typical part of war, is that it helps prevent people from considering the weight of their own actions, let alone the perspective of the enemy. What I described is not a whataboutism, it's a hypothetical illustrating exactly what's happening today, except flipping the roles of the participants. Yet of course it feels alien enough that you instinctively want…

Careful, many people on HN (as smart as they are) have little tolerance for nuance and empathy.

And they like to respond with “whataboutism!” - which is ironically, a Soviet propaganda term.

Americans are particularly myopic and view the world though a post-history lens.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

#463

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The main reason that propaganda and dehumanization are such a typical part of war, is that it helps prevent people from considering the weight of their own actions, let alone the perspective of the enemy. What I described is not a whataboutism, it's a hypothetical illustrating exactly what's happening today, except flipping the roles of the participants. Yet of course it feels alien enough that you instinctively want…

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Can you try a better developed argument than the extremely lazy Reddit-level “whataboutism” one? And look up the history of that word. It’s a Soviet propaganda term and a logical fallacy.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Shooting down the Chinese ballon and arming Ukraine with long range weapons aren't potentially acts of provocation against nuclear powers? Reverse the roles. American ballon. Mexico getting armed against the US by a foreign superpower and sworn enemy. Would the US tolerate those acts?

Right, the US would totally make nuclear threats against Mexico for shooting down a ballon. Not even Trump would be deranged enough for that (well on second thought, maybe he would but nobody would take him serious, just like Medvedev's daily nuclear threat).

The Mexico example was long range weapons. If Chinese missiles were hitting American cities from Mexico (outside of the localized fighting), do you believe that has the possibility to escalate?

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Absolutely agreed. The US military is so well funded and capable that they could finish the job without needed to resort to nukes.

Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or serious.

America totally crushed Grenada!

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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The main reason that propaganda and dehumanization are such a typical part of war, is that it helps prevent people from considering the weight of their own actions, let alone the perspective of the enemy. What I described is not a whataboutism, it's a hypothetical illustrating exactly what's happening today, except flipping the roles of the participants. Yet of course it feels alien enough that you instinctively want…

Careful, many people on HN (as smart as they are) have little tolerance for nuance and empathy. And they like to respond with “whataboutism!” - which is ironically, a Soviet propaganda term. Americans are particularly myopic and view the world though a post-history lens.

Whataboutism is an old Soviet propaganda technique, but AFAIK they didn't come up with the term (they must have had an internal name for it of course, but somehow I doubt they called it whataboutism)

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Right, the US would totally make nuclear threats against Mexico for shooting down a ballon. Not even Trump would be deranged enough for that (well on second thought, maybe he would but nobody would take him serious, just like Medvedev's daily nuclear threat).

The Mexico example was long range weapons. If Chinese missiles were hitting American cities from Mexico (outside of the localized fighting), do you believe that has the possibility to escalate?

Maybe, but I can give a much more concrete example: Russia has nukes on Europe's doorstep in Kaliningrad which can reach Berlin in a couple of minutes, do you hear anybody in Germany, Europe or NATO whine about "escalation"?

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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This is the most CCP comment I’ve read in years. Okay, Xi

This is a logical assessment of the situation, it doesn't matter you don't like it.

Only logical if you accept the CCP as a legitimate government, which barely any politician in Europe, the USA and the rest of the west does (privately).

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

#470

Like with the Arizona fab question where will they find the skilled workers? Putting up four walls and a roof, with some chip fabbing equipment doesn't make an efficient fabrication location. When you have American TSMC worker complain about long shift hours i imaging it wouldn't be any better in Europe for TSMC. This feels more like TSMC grabbing from subsidies pots where it can hoping this will please the NATO nati…

The population of _all_ of Arizona is only 7.2 million. Just within 100km of Dresden you've got 5 million. Add in a much easier, faster immigration policy (esepcially from the rest of Europe) and a higher (although still not high) unemployment rate and they're probably gonna have an easier time of it than Arizone does.
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