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It's not about you, it's about everyone else who might benefit from reading your comment. What are you taking that benefit away from them? Why do you dislike other internet users like that? Also comments don't rot on the internet, nothing is ever "past its prime". Why do you think comments lose value to other people ? In fact, there's quite likely a long tail of future users who would benefit, who are even larger tha…
This person is either really playing up their Ayn Randian philosophy or they are deluded. I think you can be somewhat relieved knowing that the comments which are deleted are probably in line with the ones made by the person today -- worthless.
Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments
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Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments
#462Hanlon's razor. Anyone who has used Reddit for any period of time (or basically any similar site, which includes FB, Twitter, and even HN), has seen data consistency issues during high load (like periods of activism). Shards die or fall out of quorum, work queues get purged, etc. That's the reality of systems with a lot of very low value data. Eventually consistent, but also perpetually inconsistent.
Unlike every other data operation, deletion is heavily regulated by law.
Of course this isn't "heavily regulated". No law demands 100% consistency when you run some third party script during an outage. Clicking "delete" on a comment, or having a script do it, is not some GPDR enforced action.
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Interesting. If it's alright to ask, why do you have this policy? In my case I never delete my posts/comments and always edit with a big "EDIT" disclosure.
A comment’s value rarely outlasts more than 24 hours, if that. Why hoard data?
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That is not how that works. The right to keep data beyond when a user requests it's deletion is contingent on it being needed for ongoing business requirements like tax and other audit requirements, not for content. It's not possible under GDPR to automatically license user submitted content via a ToS or something. If you want to keep content beyond when a user clicks a delete button you would need a contract that pr…
Does the button to delete a Reddit account+posts absolutely qualify as revoking consent? (I am not trying to be combative, I am just unfamiliar with GDPR)
That said. IANAL.
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Is there something specific that you think would be illegal? Or just a general sense that keystrokes shouldn't be logged?
Not OP, but i could see hypothetically laws that prevent recording user data unknowingly. The same logic could say that just because i'm running your process does not mean you can monitor all my other processes/keystrokes/network-traffic/etc; could be used (hypothetically!) to say that if it's not obvious the user has submitted data, that you can't record it. Obviously it gets into the weeds, but where does it stop?…
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That's crazy, most of the comments I read are months if not years old.
Exactly. And it's so sad when I find a thread that clearly had exactly the answer I was looking for to a question, with somebody replying "thanks so much that answers it perfectly!" only the answer itself was deleted. :(
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How do you work GDPR in the context of a site like Wikipedia where the data is licensed CC and iterated on repeatedly by other users in the future? Do you have to flatly delete every sentence (or word) they’ve worked on? Does publishing the dataset as CC sidestep GDPR? Because Reddit has published their dataset via fh-bigquery:Reddit in the past etc. Using GDPR adversarially like this is interesting and I’m not sure…
Licensing doesn't really enter into it. Being "a public good"/general publication does (a public figure can't automatically refuse to have a page on wp). That said things like the talk pages might fall under the GDPR - though one could argue that talk pages and edit history has a public value and so overrides the GDPR. As for logging IPs, that is something no one is generally allowed to do indefinitely - you need an…
If I demand that all my posts reviewing and discussing vacuum cleaners and sharing DIY home remodeling tips be removed, then that diminishes the public good, just as with wikipedia, and really can't even be entirely done (what about fragments of your comments that are quoted in other comments?).
GDPR being used to protect personal information is a bit different than GDPR being used as a hammer to retroactively undo the licensing agreements you make with these websites even if GDPR regards that content as being personal information. And those licensing agreements are not dissimilar in kind to many other licensing agreements. Sure, you retain the copyright, but you also granted Reddit an unlimited irrevocable perpetual license, so does that really matter? Can GDPR be used to undo these perpetual licenses? At the end of the day someone always created it, machines cannot be copyright originators, can they always just invoke GDPR and break any license contracts they wish?
Again, I'm generally pro-GDPR but at the maximalist interpretation of "I can use GDPR to revoke the license to any content I've ever created from any licensee if it was ever input into a computer" is a bit of a cliff, and in many cases there is not a clear brightline for sites like Reddit (and HN). Are youtube comments a "public good"? They're intended for other people to interact and reply to, for sure.
BTW if you send a GDPR request to HN you're going to get the same explanation from dang, HN simply do not allow you to "shreddit" content by blocking edits after a certain point, and does not honor GDPR takedowns. They'll remove your username and specific PII from the content but they regard the actual interaction as being a public good. Other people considered it and replied to it and it's unfair to the other users to allow that content to be yoinked from the public sphere after it's been made part of the communal discourse. And they are a for-profit company too. Same thing as Reddit.
If Reddit does the same, and strips your username off the posts, and responds to requests to takedown any PII that's leaked into other comment (username mentions etc) doesn't that satisfy GDPR's requirements to remove PII? Do they have to take down the public-good portion of the content, even if it's non-PII, simply because you generated it? And if so, how can durable IP licenses ever exist under that model if GDPR revocations completely vacate all licenses no matter how irrevocable you word them to be?
And again, to make it worse, Reddit has already published the comment dataset under CC via the API, and it's archived by fh-bigquery:reddit and Pushift in forms that can't really be taken down. It's already in torrents around the net, what do you want them to do about it? And does mere openness change any of the licensing/public-good aspects of this? How can you draw a line here without also clobbering wikipedia?
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#469Yea.. this is why you don't delete, because god knows it isn't actually deleted. You edit, and even then it's as crapshoot because it might not be gone. If they store versions of old comments then even editing wouldn't help (which tbh, would make sense in case there were ban-worthy content being hidden via edit) . Plus of course the rest of the internet still likely has your deleted/edited comment. So nothing public…
Re: Reddit appears to be restoring edited/deleted comments
#470Reddit's privacy policy here seems to be pretty clear [0] > Deleting Your Account > You may delete your account information at any time from the user preferences page. You can also submit a request to delete the personal information Reddit maintains about you by following the process described below this table. When you delete your account, your profile is no longer visible to other users and disassociated from conte…
This is slightly different than account deletions. They’re also restoring individually deleted comments. I, for example, deleted every comment I ever posted on Reddit, but left my account itself in place. As of this morning, many of my comments appear to have been restored.