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Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by ahahahahah »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #375
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #141

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How can I see those stats?

https://subredditstats.com/ I found this

Yeah that's where I took the stats from. I spot checked them a bit to see if that metric seemed like it was affected by the recent blackout, but it looked like it wasn't (maybe they lag by some number of days). You could take the #users instead which shouldn't be affected by the blackout, but I thought posts better reflected how much activity they were producing (the first couple listed were really low on users but much higher on posts), but really I think for any of the metrics you pick will make the "keeping reddit alive" claim look rather questionable.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kristopolous wrote: post #453
Animats wrote: post #424

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The front page of lemmy: Lemmy - A link aggregator for the fediverse. Join a Server - Run a Server - Follow communities anywhere in the world Lemmy is a selfhosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. No, no. You lead with the benefits to the user. This isn't Github. It suffers from the same problem as Mastodon - "Join a server". But which one? These federated things need to be set up so that there's "no…

Isn't this the same problem IRC had but IRC was (still is?) fairly widely used? (Wikipedia says its peak was about 10mil in 2004/2005 - which makes it 1% according to here: https://www.internetworldstats.com/emarketing.htm ) Regardless, if I was able to capture 1% of the net, that's not a failure by any stretch. How did IRC succeed here? Have any hard evidence as opposed to intuition or speculation?

> what's different?

IRC, like e-mail, is grandfathered in. There wasn't a centralized alternative that worked when they were born.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by WillPostForFood »

lozenge wrote: post #404
bbor wrote: post #267

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This whole Adblock thing is gonna come to a head with the modern “economic headwinds” I think. Like, how did people think it was gonna work out…? YouTube and Reddit would just keep going forever with some sizable percentage of their user base earning them 0 money? we either need to start paying for stuff instead of the bullshit invasive Display Ads model (half measure), accept the death of Adblock (I imagine I’ll get…

You could have written this comment about tape decks, CD ripping or Napster. In the end, what's technically possible always wins. As long as adblockers are technically feasible they will continue.

Napster didn't win though? It got crushed by giant media conglomerates. They were able to stifle easy piracy. With legal warfare, and actual decent products, they pretty effectively funneled people into legally consuming digital content, limiting piracy, and replaced physical ownership (CDs) with ephemeral subscriptions.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by generj »

carlosjobim wrote: post #250
Fauntleroy wrote: post #73

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...so that the admins of reddit can exploit their content instead?

So that everybody can exploit the content. When you post comments and threads on a public message board, you are giving it away for free with the expectation that it will be available for the whole world to see. It has been like this since the beginning. Since Usenet, phpBB and everything in between up until now. Should librarians be allowed to close public libraries and make them an exclusive club because they work…

Librarians are allowed to strike, closing down public libraries.

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Post by 8note »

pgwhalen wrote: post #297
p_j_w wrote: post #255

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Maybe they give a shit about the community?

Yeah I’d agree with that too. People who care about something often like to be in a position where they can impact the thing they care about. “Power” isn’t a totally cynical way of describing it.

I did it to learn some new skills. That's how I got good at css, among some other things

You also get empathy for anyone who does have to deal with arbitrary internet commenters and posters

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by darkstar999 »

crazygringo wrote: post #82

Now that the initial 48 hours have passed, I would expect Reddit to override this at any moment now. Any subreddits which had not been private previously will revert back to public and the ability to change from public to private will be temporarily disabled. It's one thing for management to wait out 48h (doable), it's another thing to wait out something "indefinite".

I think they are too smart to override it. See the Streisand effect. If the old subreddits go permanently dark, new subreddits with mods who don't care about the protest will fill the void.

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by a_carbon_rod »

jug6ernaut wrote: post #398
koonsolo wrote: post #329

This whole thing is for sure an outraged mob that the internet sees plenty of times. Just look at this poll for r/indiedev: https://www.reddit.com/r/IndieDev/comments/149uqfc/rindiedev... Majority of votes want it closed down, and basically all comments want to keep it open. You don't have to be a community member to vote, so this can mean only 1 thing: users from outside of r/indiedev are voting to close it. edit: i…

There is really no reason to comment if your vote is to shut down the sub. The position is already known and well described. What would the posts be? "I agree"? Vs if you want the sub to stay open and are against the shutdown, your position is not obvious, and has value in explaining why you are against it.

I agree with your point but there definitely is some brigading going on by the "pro-blackout" crowd. I moderate a small-ish subreddit (~6500 subscribers) and while our poll to blackout received overwhelming support including from well-known members in our community, I definitely noticed that after sharing in the /r/ModCoord thread our intent to blackout the thread started receiving a lot of supporting comments from questionable brand new accounts (or accounts with low karma/had never interacted with the community before). And this was without linking the thread at all - these users were clearly coming to the subreddit, finding the post and making pro-blackout comments to push the community towards a shutdown.

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

quaintdev wrote: post #40

Reddit has become pretty popular in India and this new population is okay with new site and policy changes because they simply are not aware of what Reddit use to be. Reddit blackout has almost 0 effect on Indian subreddits. Reddit still has numbers to show even if most subreddit are down. Just check r/India r/Mumbai r/Banglore r/Delhi r/Pune and other India subreddits and you will see.

r/Bakchodi is the funniest subreddit even though I only get 2% of it

Those dudes are legitimately insane

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #44

major subreddits keeping reddit alive basically: r/politics r/worldnews r/movies r/tech r/television r/news r/technology r/gadgets r/sports minor ones i've noticed: r/indieheads r/boxing It's a pretty serious blackout, but it'd be even more serious if those went dark too (and stayed dark).

r/politics won't go dark because the mods are paid to spam posts

Re: Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely

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Post by isaacremuant »

jtode wrote: post #376
ZacnyLos wrote: post #346

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Average internet user has no idea how subreddits work.

Average internet user thinks Bill Gates has a robot arm with vaccine-delivering microdart shooters and if you shake his hand you'll have Windows 11 installed directly to your nervous system.

Actually. The average internet user would think himself pretty smart repeating low effort strawmen like yours while repeating heavily propagandized mantras such as "It's safe and effective" and "It's just 2 weeks! Can't you just stay put for 2 weeks?"
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