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Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by __loam »

adventured wrote: post #299
__loam wrote: post #239

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We already have AI moderation at places like Facebook and they still need a small army of moderators. Zuckerburg has been trying to automate moderation for years.

Something like GPT 4 didn't exist 5, 10 years ago, re Zuckerberg. It won't take much further improvement for eg OpenAI's models to effectively handle moderation based on learning from instruction for a given community's moderation needs. There's no scenario where the AI moderators don't become superior to human moderators in a broad sense (only in select, very narrow cases will humans still be better at it). That's o…

Pretty arrogant to call it a comical failure when OpenAI is openly stating they're not training GPT 5. I think people who think we can do much better than GPT 4 without insane cost scaling and a nuts amount of data (that's going to get harder to collect when regulations start to kick in), probably don't know what they're talking about. We're deep into diminishing returns here.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by jordiburgos »

erellsworth wrote: post #43
ThomW wrote: post #18

... until they just take over the moderation of their largest communities and this whole thing ends. I mean what's so magical about the moderation of something like r/videos other than the mods being free labor for Reddit?

I think you underestimate the value of that free labor. Reddit isn't even profitable. Hiring mods for thousands of subreddits would cost them a ton of money, not only in wages but in the cost of finding and training those workers. Beyond that, the minute the mods are official employees of Reddit, Reddit is fully responsible for all the content on all those subs. Social media companies are already under a lot of scrut…

Isn't Reddit already responsible of all the content they have in the platform?

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Post by vintagedave »

adhvaryu wrote: post #451
satiric wrote: post #415

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I'll join in on the train. Would you mind sending on to me if you get one?

Choo choo

I checked out the site, and it looks great. May I join the invite request train too please? My email is my username at gmail.

Many thanks :)

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by permo-w »

the irony of it all is borderline unbelievable. reddit's justification for this is that they don't want to continue providing profit for smaller corporations for free. this from reddit, a website that could not possibly make a profit without the work moderators do for free

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Post by dTal »

__loam wrote: post #461
adventured wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like GPT 4 didn't exist 5, 10 years ago, re Zuckerberg. It won't take much further improvement for eg OpenAI's models to effectively handle moderation based on learning from instruction for a given community's moderation needs. There's no scenario where the AI moderators don't become superior to human moderators in a broad sense (only in select, very narrow cases will humans still be better at it). That's o…

Pretty arrogant to call it a comical failure when OpenAI is openly stating they're not training GPT 5. I think people who think we can do much better than GPT 4 without insane cost scaling and a nuts amount of data (that's going to get harder to collect when regulations start to kick in), probably don't know what they're talking about. We're deep into diminishing returns here.

I do think we can do much better than GPT4. Size isn't everything. Small models can outperform large models, when trained and finetuned in the right way. And transformers are hardly the be-all and end-all of language AI either - there's plenty of reason to believe they're both inefficient and architecturally unsuited for some of the tasks we expect of it. The field is brand new, and now that the ChatGPT has brought the world's figurative Eye Of Sauron on developing human-level AI, we're going to see a lot of progress very quickly.

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Post by Peanuts99 »

manishsharan wrote: post #44
jleyank wrote: post #33

How does / will Reddit make money? Selling ads? Harvesting data? Monthly subscriptions? Some combination of all three? I have difficulty imagining why anybody would pay a fee to join a bbs no matter how fancy it is. Might be just me as a cheap old codger. Now, they can use ai to generate posts and dispense with moderators and even posters I guess.

If some people are willing to pay $8 for Twitter,they will happily pay more for Reddit.

Reddit does have Reddit premium which is a monthly subscription but they won't even allow users who purchase that to use third party apps. That would be a sensible middle ground.

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by jasonjayr »

function_seven wrote: post #356
tester457 wrote: post #350

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I've never used Slashdot, how is the moderation model superior?

Instead of plain up- and downvotes, you rated a given comment with one of several positives (insightful, interesting, funny, informative) or negatives (troll, flamebait, offtopic) The best part was you could set your personal filters to exclude “funny” comments, or boost “offtopic” ones if you want. With thresholds! So the funniest stuff could still break through, but you didn’t have to wade through a million pun pos…

Also -- people would randomly be given moderation points, and you only had so many at a time. I think people's chance of getting moderation points was weighted by how 'good' of a community member you were (account age, participation in moderation, metamoderation 'agreement')

Soylentnews also exists based on the slashdot source, and uses the same/similar moderation.

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Post by fennecfoxy »

bombcar wrote: post #388
CommitSyn wrote: post #381

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> neddit.com > redirect to CBS.com am I missing something?

The other poster had it right, I get to HN by typing ne (enter) or n (enter) in my browser address bar.

Yeah same, either "ne" or "news" in address bar depending on how many "ne" things I've visited recently

Re: Reddit subs with millions of followers plan to extend the blackout indefinitely

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Post by fennecfoxy »

thefourthchime wrote: post #231
depereo wrote: post #74

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I added reddit.com to my ublock filters - it was kind of an automatic click a few times a day and it's been a nice way to break the habit so strongly. I've got friends doing the same, and our microcommunity has formed around another platform already, after collectively losing reddit. It was so clearly a half-assed, badly thought out policy. No mention of mod tools. No mention of accessibility tools. No mention of res…

I deleted my 8yo account. It was right after someone downvoted me because pointed out something that broke with their opinion. That kind of summed up my view Reddit. Groupthink circle jerks. Why was I part of any of that??

>Groupthink circle jerks

Hate to say it, but fleshy meatbag humans love this stuff on and off line. Our species is evolutionarily motivated to group up.

It's completely undeniable, societal progress regardless. We still do it all day every day, some worse than others.

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