Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years • Hacker News Board

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by gcanyon » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 1:31 AM UTC

jodrellblank wrote: post #251

janalsncm wrote: post #83

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On the flip side, the fact that this is a crowded space means that there’s a demand for it. And this isn’t a Reddit clone, it has a business model which is pretty close to the best anyone could hope for in my opinion. In any case, I applaud any efforts that could unseat Reddit or make them reconsider their greedy hard line. I encourage the creator of Non.io to identify the key shortcomings of Reddit and improve upon…

> “ it has a business model ” What’s that story about the economist who was trying to concentrate but there were kids playing soccer below his window and being noisy, so he went out and offered them $1 each if they come back and played tomorrow. The next day he offered them 50c, then 25c, and after that 5c, and the kids got annoyed “we wouldn’t come here to play for a measly five cents!” and stormed off, and didn’t c…

Daniel Ariely had a great analogy for this:

Your grandmother cooks an amazing dinner each Thanksgiving, for nothing but your love and thanks.

If at the end of the meal you said, “Great dinner, Gran, here’s for your trouble,” and handed her a $20, how do you think she’d react?

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by sltkr » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 1:31 AM UTC

What is your content policy? Will this be another leftist echochamber like reddit, lemmy.ml, lobste.rs and so on, or do you plan to allow more diverse opinions to be posted?

Is it possible to create opt-in communities that do not appear on the frontpage by default? This is required for minority communities to thrive.

The $2/month fee sounds quite reasonable to me, but I don't plan to pay for a service where I have to kowtow to leftist political activists like the ones that rule reddit.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Lk7Of3vfJS2n » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 1:33 AM UTC

jjcm wrote: post #194

idiotsecant wrote: post #32

The idea of posters getting real money instead of fake internet points when their posts do well seems interesting, but maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences. Moderation will be extremely important to prevent low-effort memes and content regurgitation and the like from saturating your main channels. Have you considered how you will encourage moderation and keep it free from the corrosive influen…

> do you have any long-term plans to IPO this if it becomes successful? If not, some kind of guarantee that this platform is immune to enshittification would probably be very, very popular. This is a solid call out. Part of me wants to keep things private in order to maintain the "user is the customer" alignment. One issue with going public is it then means shareholders become your primary customer, with your users b…

Please make it possible to pay without a credit card. I want to support the site but without sacrificing privacy or anonymity.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by hombre_fatal » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 1:38 AM UTC

iLoveOncall wrote: post #420

jjcm wrote: post #247

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I've been working on the code for 4 years. Only opened up posting to others today. Obviously have test posts, but I deleted many of them prior to this post.

Hum there's one commit end of 2022, a few end of 2021, 3 early 2021 and then the initial repository creation in 2018. You haven't been working on it for 4 years, you started it 4 years ago, have made disconnected updates here and there since, and are releasing a pre-alpha to capitalize on the Reddit story.

You should learn about git submodules before interpreting their git activity, especially if you're going to be so confidently judgmental.

You've missed over 900 commits. Oops. :)

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by mikemai2awesome » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 1:57 AM UTC

Awesome! I added a post about accessibility. Since the accessibility community is getting hit hard by the reddit API cost. Let's see a more accessible platform than reddit. https://non.io/a11y

For anyone not aware, read about r/blind here: https://twitter.com/rumster/status/1668004686610178048

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by zouhair » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 1:58 AM UTC

I don't want to belittle your work, but there is zero chance for me to register just to check the place. If someone sent me that link I would open and close the tab immediately.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by dopidopHN » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 2:01 AM UTC

Hey, that looks nice but I can’t look at it on a older, small iPhone. The page resize in loop.

But from what I can see it’s a landing page; I would need to see conversation and links right away.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by Invictus0 » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 2:01 AM UTC

I clicked your link but you didn't sell me. I closed it and didn't register.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by dopidopHN » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 2:02 AM UTC

hansworst wrote: post #234

haroldp wrote: post #207

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> maybe an unintentional experiment in unintended consequences Just charging $2 might be a huge improvement over reddit because it makes sock puppets cost too much to scale. Paying out for upvotes, I fear will incentivize lowest-common-denominator content. If you go to a quality tech subreddit and sort by "Top" comments, they will mostly be memes. They won't be from an expert solving your very specific problem. And m…

I wonder though whether people will upvote differently knowing that there's real money involved.

If I pay to upvote I’m not pushing meme for sure. Only content that I actually read and that I enjoy.

Re: Show HN: Non.io, a Reddit-like platform Ive been working on for the last 4 years

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Post by lonk11 » Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 2:06 AM UTC

z3t4 wrote: post #425

ric2b wrote: post #402

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This has been tried in the cryptocurrency space, people start faking accounts to upvote their content and make money. So basically what already happens with reddit/twitter/etc but amplified because you give them a direct financial incentive to upvote low effort crap.

I think it can be solved by personalizing the top page(s), so you mostly see the kind of stuff you upvote. If there are a few people up-voting crap you wont see it, but they will see all of it.

I'm building https://linklonk.com which works this way - you get content ranked based on what you upvoted. This is to make the incentives for voting aligned and help prevent abuse.

I think the problem with karma/reputation systems is that the source of karma are fungible - anyone's upvote has the same effect on the reputation. And this makes it gameable.

A personalized system can solve this by replacing global reputation with user-to-user trust. Now it matters who upvoted - a random bot or a user whose past contributions have been useful to you.