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Re: Apple Vision

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Post by randmeerkat »

TheNewsIsHere wrote: post #333
htag wrote: post #314

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It's a long way away for corporate to buy it's developers a headset like what your describing. As far as Work goes, if you cannot get a corporate office to buy them then it's never going to take off.

Yeah, there’s a big up front cost and it’s an almost total gamble. My spouse’s company bought an engineering team Oculus headsets. The thinking was they might generate new ideas and concepts worth exploring further. My understanding is that they use it for virtual golf games in lieu of Zoom meetings sometimes, and that’s about it. I think VR has a future, but I don’t think it has a broad workplace future. Medicine? A…

> I think VR has a future, but I don’t think it has a broad workplace future. Medicine? Absolutely! Gaming? Sure! Office work? Ehhh

I actually think office work is more practical than medicine in VR. While I agree that office work in VR is less than ideal, I think medicine is even less ideal. How does a doctor diagnose and treat a broken foot in VR..? How does a person accomplish physical therapy in VR? How is an X-ray taken in VR..? How does the doctor take vitals for a physical in VR..?

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by mynameisvlad »

scarface_74 wrote: post #460
mynameisvlad wrote: post #458

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That would be a perfectly acceptable comment... 3 comments ago. Instead, you pretended as if they said AW as an entire category was a failure. Next time, reply to what is written in the comment, not what is easier to argue against.

It’s a perfectly acceptable comment now. No one in their right mind thought there Apple had realistic expectations of selling 10 of millions of slow 1st generation $10K watches. It was a straw man argument that I really didn’t think that people took seriously

> No one in their right mind thought there Apple had realistic expectations of selling 10 of millions of slow 1st generation $10K watches

This is not and has never been the bar for "failure". Stop pretending it is just because it makes your argument easier.

The comment you replied to states:

> The Apple Watch Edition was supposed to grow Apple into a luxury brand and expand its margins massively (you can find many interviews with Jony Ive from 2015 where he explains this thinking). This strategy was a dud.

Show how this specific thing is untrue, not your own definition of failure. Was that not Apple's play with the AWE? Was it not a failure, almost immediately discontinued? What exact part of that statement is false?

This is the real strawman and your projection is plainly obvious.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by lolinder »

jedberg wrote: post #419
retrocryptid wrote: post #323

So... what's the killer app for this thing? Best I can tell it's a status symbol for a particular type of computer nerd. But blather about the Apple "Vision" has replaced blather about GPT based chatbots on HN, so I am thankful for that. But I am not being facetious when I say that I don't see any application for the technology that justifies the $3500 price tag. But I'm more than willing to be educated. Is BMW going…

The power in the headset makes it sound like it replaces your laptop. So for $3,500 I get a new laptop plus a 100 inch screen. To buy those separately would be far more than $3,500. In my case I plan to buy it on day one because I want it for working. I'm tired of having to choose enjoying the nice weather outside while using a tiny 15 inch laptop screen or being inside at my desk with my 3 32" screens. With Apple Vi…

Does it replace the laptop, or supplement it? From what I've seen it can project one monitor from your existing MacBook into the space.

Which means you'll also have to lug your MacBook around in order to use it on the go, and you won't be able to have your 3 monitors, just the one.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by johnold »

gavinmckenzie wrote: post #320
function_seven wrote: post #269

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> This is what long term planning looks like. You need to prime your audience to buy something, before they actually want to go out and buy it. When the Apple Watch was first unveiled, my opinion was something along the lines of, "What, I'm so lazy that I'll spend $400 to avoid pulling my phone out of my pocket?" When the AirPods were released, I probably said something like, "What, I'm supposed to hate a little wire…

100%. I thought the same thing with my Apple Watch and I resisted spending what I considered to be an unreasonable amount on earbuds as I didn’t care (or so I thought) about having wireless earbuds. But eventually so many colleagues had them and talked to me about how great they were that I caved and bought a pair. Wow was I wrong about how wireless earbuds was something I didn’t need. Then I started evangelizing to…

I agree, at first the watch was not really that interesting. Now, I can see it eating Garmin and wahoo for athletes. Why buy a separate device for tracking the bike rides or the runs when you can just use the apple watch. The vision pro will be the same thing. Give it 5 years.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by [deleted] »

PaulHoule wrote: post #89
jsheard wrote: post #48

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I don't mean projecting the outside world inside the headset so the user can see "through" it, that's a standard feature even on cheap headsets. I mean the display on the front of the Vision Pro which shows the users eyes "through" the headset so other people can see them, which is an awful lot of hardware to dedicate to a feature many users don't need.

It's an interesting question. If you look at that Simula VR page there is a video showing a person working with the device at a coffeeshop and being handed a coffee by a waitress. I don't know what that waitress would think about the interaction, particularly she might not be so clear if the person wearing the headset is paying attention or not. Visible eyes on the outside of the device could make a big difference. I…

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Re: Apple Vision

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Post by scarface_74 »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #462
scarface_74 wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a perfectly acceptable comment now. No one in their right mind thought there Apple had realistic expectations of selling 10 of millions of slow 1st generation $10K watches. It was a straw man argument that I really didn’t think that people took seriously

> No one in their right mind thought there Apple had realistic expectations of selling 10 of millions of slow 1st generation $10K watches This is not and has never been the bar for "failure". Stop pretending it is just because it makes your argument easier. The comment you replied to states: > The Apple Watch Edition was supposed to grow Apple into a luxury brand and expand its margins massively (you can find many in…

There was no world where a few $10K Apple Watch was going to “expand Apple’s margins” meaningfully compared to the number of iPhones Apple sells. Apple knew this. Anyone who knows anything about finance or simple math knows this.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by generalizations »

lolinder wrote: post #463
jedberg wrote: post #419

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The power in the headset makes it sound like it replaces your laptop. So for $3,500 I get a new laptop plus a 100 inch screen. To buy those separately would be far more than $3,500. In my case I plan to buy it on day one because I want it for working. I'm tired of having to choose enjoying the nice weather outside while using a tiny 15 inch laptop screen or being inside at my desk with my 3 32" screens. With Apple Vi…

Does it replace the laptop, or supplement it? From what I've seen it can project one monitor from your existing MacBook into the space. Which means you'll also have to lug your MacBook around in order to use it on the go, and you won't be able to have your 3 monitors, just the one.

It better do more than project monitors. I’ll use it if the whole space around me is one big monitor for overlapping app windows. I want to throw my open apps in a pile to my right, shuffle through them to find what I need, push them all to the side to work on something else, and probably do the virtual equivalent of those meme conspiracy pins-and-string research boards.

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by drexlspivey »

seydor wrote: post #130

My bet would be completely the opposite. No matter how good these devices get they lack in input bandwidth. My keyboard beats all VR , and it seems to easily beat apple's VR too. The headset is clearly targeted to static environments, entertainment. The apps are like ipad apps, looking cute but when people want to do serious work fast, they use a laptop because it has a keyboard. It is overengineered. There are a lot…

I imagine that in a couple of iterations you will be able to type in an imaginary keyboard and it will pick up the correct keystrokes

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by jolmg »

PaulHoule wrote: post #89
jsheard wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean projecting the outside world inside the headset so the user can see "through" it, that's a standard feature even on cheap headsets. I mean the display on the front of the Vision Pro which shows the users eyes "through" the headset so other people can see them, which is an awful lot of hardware to dedicate to a feature many users don't need.

It's an interesting question. If you look at that Simula VR page there is a video showing a person working with the device at a coffeeshop and being handed a coffee by a waitress. I don't know what that waitress would think about the interaction, particularly she might not be so clear if the person wearing the headset is paying attention or not. Visible eyes on the outside of the device could make a big difference. I…

> something cartoony might be good enough or even better than a realistic display.

Like a matrix display...

Re: Apple Vision

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Post by jedberg »

lolinder wrote: post #463
jedberg wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The power in the headset makes it sound like it replaces your laptop. So for $3,500 I get a new laptop plus a 100 inch screen. To buy those separately would be far more than $3,500. In my case I plan to buy it on day one because I want it for working. I'm tired of having to choose enjoying the nice weather outside while using a tiny 15 inch laptop screen or being inside at my desk with my 3 32" screens. With Apple Vi…

Does it replace the laptop, or supplement it? From what I've seen it can project one monitor from your existing MacBook into the space. Which means you'll also have to lug your MacBook around in order to use it on the go, and you won't be able to have your 3 monitors, just the one.

The devil is in the details. If you can only mirror your laptop screen, it's not that useful, unless you can run Vision native apps next to it. Then I only have to mirror my laptop for laptop only stuff and can run things like Safari and Notes and Mail all the other stuff separately.

If I can set up vision as a 100 inch 8K external monitor, then that becomes much more interesting, because with that much screen real estate I don't need multiple monitors.

I guess we'll have to see.

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