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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by trasz4 »

logicchains wrote: post #109
edgyquant wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries. US companies are a different problem with different solutions.

>Countries have the right to ban foreign adversaries This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps. Fortunately in the west, countries don't have rights, people do, and citizens generally have the right to run whatever software they want on the hardware devices they own. Governments that violate such rights get challenged in court.

>This is the same logic that China uses to ban all western apps

Except it doesn't. It's just that apps are required to follow local laws, and many companies - like Google - don't want to, because their entire business is exploiting users' privacy.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by asix66 »

This ban law ultimately won’t work.

What's needed is EDUCATION...Cases in point.

The only way to "ban" illicit drugs is through education. Essentially, “don’t do that shit and here is why”.

The only way to "ban" abortion is, similarly, through education. Don’t screw but if you do put a coat on that thing. Make that stuff free.

Social media is no different. Focus on teaching the importance of privacy and mental wellbeing.

This education can and should start in your own household and families. Teach your kids, this ban won't help them.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by hiatus »

hippich wrote: post #363
mrighele wrote: post #250

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> It'd be very difficult for Montana to enforce the other piece of the TikTok ban I don't know if it is technically and legally feasible in Montana, but you "just" need to block the endpoints that the app uses to fetch the data. It is not foolproof, but given that ByteDance probably has interest in keeping doing business in the rest of the USA, at least for now, it would be fineable in case it was trying to avoid the…

Blocked in my house with few rules in pi.hole. so definitely not a technical problem.

What happens if the kids use mobile data and not the house wifi?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by kranke155 »

sumedh wrote: post #420
kranke155 wrote: post #413

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TikTok is evil. Let’s stop with the whataboutism

What is the definition of evil when it comes to TikToK?

Massive data collection being funnelled directly to the benefit of an adversarial totalitarian state.

Often coordinating to target intelligence and political targets.

It’s a technological wing for a totalitarian intelligence department. That’s what it is. It also has social media functions, but it also has an intelligence function.

If you think “well the US does it too” well I invite you to move to Shanghai and live the rest of your days there and tell me you feel just as free as in New York City.

Also, two wrongs don’t make a right.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by kranke155 »

wildrhythms wrote: post #432
kranke155 wrote: post #415

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In a free market a ban should be enough for competitors and replacements to arise

Is it a free market if such a ban exists in the first place?

Yep. Free markets don’t mean unlimited power to corporations.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by kranke155 »

npteljes wrote: post #444
kranke155 wrote: post #413

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TikTok is evil. Let’s stop with the whataboutism

TikTok being evil is not the main point of OP. Is the society best served with banning evil things, would be a better framing. Banning is a knee-jerk reaction, and an attractive revenge fantasy for many, but when we're talking about society (or raising children), banning without other actions doesn't make the thing go away. For examples, look at the attempt of banning alcohol, drugs or sex work.

I don’t see the equivalency, since an American or European company can copy TikTok.

You can get your digital cocaine as long as it’s safely sourced.

They’re not banning TikTok style companies (which would be similar to your analogy) they are banning TikTok specifically due to its origin and actions (intelligence collection).

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by asynchronous »

pjc50 wrote: post #406
asynchronous wrote: post #171

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Gonna back this up, from the security research I’ve read the app *uploads* over 2gb of data once installed over the course of one month, without any interaction at all from the user.

This stuff has been talked about often enough that it should be well-documented, but can we have a detailed rundown on the stuff that TikTok does that isn't done by other apps ?

I think the issue is: 1. The sheer amount of people it affects 2. The fact that the power resides with the CCP. Not like I trust any countries’ government but the CCP clearly has goals counter to the West’s

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Post by zackees »

egorfine wrote: post #379

I live in a country where such a ban on certain "enemy" social networks was implemented a few years ago. What will happen is this. Teens will download a shit ton of VPN applications, the vast majority of which are specifically produced and marketed by the enemy to circumvent said ban. Then all users' phone traffic gets routed via the enemy VPN instead of just the social app's requests. Win-win for both sides: - the g…

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