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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Funny thing - I've been using ChatGPT as a programming assistant. My experience with it is that the more knowledgeable I am at the domain, the more useful it is. It often generates code that won't compile or won't run correctly, but that sort of goes in the correct direction, enough that I can spot the blunders and refine my questions. Quite often I even learn a few new things when using it to explore libraries and f…

My friends in the gaming industry have the complains they can't get new junior and associate members on their team for development. Instead companies want to throw more tooling at them to make the senior developers more productive. With how bad companies are at providing on the job training now, what does the future look like with 100x developers versus newbies that can't talk to AI?

If we can get these sort of tools custom trained on proprietary custom video game engines I feel they could be enormously useful in job training and getting new jr members of the team up and running quickly.

Things like "how do I make a debug cheat command to increase player speed" would be a simple question that would send a jr programmer spending time asking around and poking through many areas of code (how do I make a debug command? oh It's imgui? how do I do that? what controls player speed?) but if an AI could provide a working example immediately that would be a huge time saver that would accelerate the new programmers' understanding of the codebase.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#462

If you don't like these fast changes, time to plan a move to more "traditional" countries like Italy or Spain. Apart from fiber internet, almost all tech advances were ignored for the most part: limited uber, limited airbnb, and yes you will need to call the restaurant to book a table. Even just the concept of "chat support" is foreign, let alone having a website for a business. There are still very many businesses w…

This really is the way. What use are politicians if they don't make laws that make people's lives easier. To bad the United States isn't a democracy like many European countries are.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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What a profoundly naive opinion. Most people find meaning, fulfillment, even contentment in working, especially when the problems are engaging and the solutions produce value. Many people claim their lives would be better if they never had to work, but they are bullshitting themselves with childhood naivete. Not working is a sucking void of boredom, nihilism, hedonism, and despair. I've been through some of that befo…

I think your response is equally naive. I am still largely undecided on whether something like a universal basic income would actually be a net positive for society, but the fallacy that receiving a fixed income immediately means that people won't do something productive with their time is ridiculous. I can't imagine _not_ working, I develop open source software in my free time and I would spend more time producing s…

What do you consider as "productive"? Look at animals in a zoo, do they look productive to you? They have "a universal basic income", they simply don't need to be productive. Humans, just like animals, are productive when they are trying to achieve something (catch food, find mates, and for social animals to establish their position in a society which leads to food, mates etc.). E.g. you are developing OSS -- ask yourself why? Forget about money for a second. Are you doing it for yourself only, just for a pure fun of manipulating characters? Or you expect your software to be used by others? Revered by others? So if it's useful for others do you expect them to use it for free and pay you through taxes via the universal basic income (relying on a government to do a "fair" distribution), or maybe just pay you directly thus showing that very reverence? So it's just a distribution problem. If you don't want to worry about selling your software, then let others do it (it's called "working for a company"). As opposed to a government, which can pay for a work not needed for anybody (not very efficient, but that's what governments do all the time). Want to spend more time with your family? Don't buy the latest iPhone or an expensive car and work remotely part time, you will be able to spend more time with your family. There are tons of possibilities. Yet people do want the latest iPhone and then complain they don't have time to spend with their family or do "what the like".

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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all i can say is that chatgpt4 has become a life saver for me. i've moved from programming to sales and project management. it used to take me a ton of time in order to do proposals. now i fire up chatgpt4 and just prompt it for what i need. i can reprompt it to elaborate on each section of the proposal if i want. i can now do proposals within minutes and have a library to stich together. the hardest part of sales is the paper work and chatgpt4 has eliminated that for me. i can focus on relationships with the customers and making sure my team is meeting deadlines.

are they award winning proposals???? Not by any means whatsoever, however, 99% of MY clients could give two sh*ts of the fine grain details of a proposal and just needs something high level with a price to begin the work.

as an example of how i use chatgpt to create the proposals:

me --- write me a proposal for creating an AWS environment consisting of 3 EC2 webservers, 1 EC2 database server and an s3 bucket all within a VPC. Include an AWS VPN for accessing into the VPC.

chatgpt4 --------- Proposal for Creating an AWS Environment with 3 EC2 Webservers, 1 EC2 Database Server, and an S3 Bucket in a VPC with AWS VPN Access

Introduction:

We propose to create an AWS environment that includes three EC2 webservers, one EC2 database server, an S3 bucket, and an AWS VPN for secure access to the VPC. This environment will be deployed within a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on the AWS platform.

Objectives:

The objectives of this proposal are as follows:

To deploy a scalable and reliable web application infrastructure using AWS.

To create an S3 bucket for storing static assets and media files of the web application.

To deploy three EC2 webservers to handle incoming traffic and requests to the web application.

To deploy an EC2 database server to store and manage the web application's data.

To set up an AWS VPN for secure access to the VPC and the resources within it.

AWS Infrastructure Components:

VPC: A VPC provides a logically isolated section of the AWS cloud to launch resources in a virtual network environment. We will create a VPC with appropriate CIDR blocks to house the resources of the proposed AWS infrastructure.

Subnets: Subnets will be created within the VPC to partition the IP address range of the VPC.

Internet Gateway: An internet gateway will be created to allow access to and from the internet.

Route Tables: We will create a route table to route traffic from the internet to the web servers and the database server.

EC2 Instances: Three EC2 instances will be created to host the web application, and an EC2 instance will be created to host the database.

S3 Bucket: We will create an S3 bucket to store the static assets and media files of the web application.

Security Groups: Security groups will be created to control inbound and outbound traffic to and from the EC2 instances and the S3 bucket.

AWS VPN: An AWS VPN will be set up to provide secure remote access to the VPC.

Deployment Plan:

Create a new VPC with appropriate CIDR blocks.

Create subnets in the VPC for the web servers, the database server, and the VPN.

Create an internet gateway to allow access to and from the internet.

Create route tables to route traffic from the internet to the web servers, the database server, and the VPN.

Launch three EC2 instances to host the web application in the web server subnets.

Launch an EC2 instance to host the database in the database server subnet.

Create an S3 bucket to store the static assets and media files of the web application.

Create security groups for the EC2 instances and the S3 bucket.

Set up an AWS VPN to provide secure remote access to the VPC.

Conclusion:

The proposed AWS infrastructure will provide a scalable and reliable web application environment. The deployment of three EC2 instances for the web application, an EC2 instance for the database, and an S3 bucket for storing static assets and media files will ensure that the web application performs optimally. The AWS VPN will provide secure remote access to the VPC, enabling the authorized personnel to manage the resources within the VPC securely.

me ----- do a technical elaboration of the deployment plan

chatgpt4 --------- Technical Elaboration of the Deployment Plan:

Creating a new VPC with appropriate CIDR blocks: The first step is to create a new VPC with a CIDR block range that does not overlap with any existing networks. A CIDR block is a range of IP addresses that will be used for the VPC. In this proposed infrastructure, we will create a VPC with a CIDR block of 10.0.0.0/16, which provides up to 65,536 IP addresses.

Creating subnets in the VPC for the web servers, the database server, and the VPN: Subnets will be created within the VPC to partition the IP address range of the VPC. We will create three subnets for the web servers, one subnet for the database server, and one subnet for the VPN. Each subnet will have a unique CIDR block range within the VPC's CIDR block range.

Creating an internet gateway to allow access to and from the internet: An internet gateway will be created to allow access to and from the internet. The internet gateway will provide a point of entry and exit for the VPC's internet traffic.

Creating route tables to route traffic from the internet to the web servers, the database server, and the VPN: A route table will be created to route traffic from the internet to the web servers, the database server, and the VPN. The route table will associate the subnets with the internet gateway and route traffic to the appropriate subnet.

Launching three EC2 instances to host the web application in the web server subnets: Three EC2 instances will be launched in the web server subnets to host the web application. The EC2 instances will be launched with an Amazon Machine Image (AMI) that contains the necessary software and configurations to run the web application.

Launching an EC2 instance to host the database in the database server subnet: An EC2 instance will be launched in the database server subnet to host the database. The EC2 instance will be launched with an appropriate AMI that contains the necessary database software and configurations.

Creating an S3 bucket to store the static assets and media files of the web application: An S3 bucket will be created to store the static assets and media files of the web application. The S3 bucket will be configured to be accessible only from within the VPC.

Creating security groups for the EC2 instances and the S3 bucket: Security groups will be created to control inbound and outbound traffic to and from the EC2 instances and the S3 bucket. The security groups will allow traffic only from specific IP addresses and ports.

Setting up an AWS VPN to provide secure remote access to the VPC: An AWS VPN will be set up to provide secure remote access to the VPC. The VPN will be configured to allow authorized personnel to connect to the VPC securely. The VPN will use Internet Protocol Security (IPsec) to encrypt traffic between the remote user and the VPC.

Conclusion:

The proposed deployment plan includes the creation of a VPC with subnets, internet gateway, route tables, EC2 instances, S3 bucket, and security groups. The deployment plan ensures that the web application and the database server run efficiently while maintaining security. The AWS VPN will provide secure remote access to the VPC, which allows authorized personnel to access the resources securely.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

#465
post #213

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Have you asked Priya for her opinion about this? You've outlined the pessimistic case. Priya has qualifications in biotechnology. She currently spends her time doing work that sounds quite repetitive. If AI tools can help accelerate that work, is there a more optimistic scenario where she gets to do different, related work that isn't automatable? (I personally really hope the pessimistic case isn't what happens here,…

He has that covered IMO. He talks at length about how he's not confident about his own career in the long run. So while he starts off talking about the AI doing one person's job, he makes it clear that he doesn't just think that about entry level workers.

He talked about his own fears: I want to hear Priya's opinion.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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The author seems to miss that the point of biotech is not to deliver jobs to people working in the field, but to deliver medicine and food to people.

The better, faster, cheaper, we can do it, the better the world will be.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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post #10

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Why? No really: why? Businesses are profit-seeking entities. Why not just fire nine people? You save money . (Yes, this could be a really stupid decision for the company in question. I agree with you. I'm not saying what should happen. I'm saying what will happen, and that that is really bad.)

Because information curated by an AI with validation by a subject matter expert is worth significantly more than that which was done without a human in the loop. There's no determinism with these systems, and from experience with GPT-4 doing classification tasks, it'll do everything exactly right until it doesn't. If it's like many businesses in the classification world, they aren't lacking for work, so it's more lik…

What's your idea of "subject matter expert"? The term is used in court. Mine would probably include no more than double the number of people with doctorate degrees. It wouldn't include Priya right now, maybe after more education and/or a few years of exceptional experience.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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post #213

Hi everyone, author of the article here. I'm sorry if the article sounds overly pessimistic. I'm not making any claims with this article. I'm not proposing anything either. I do think technological progress is a good thing, even in this case. But I wrote this blog because I did have an emotional response to this technology, and wanted to pen down my thoughts. Its one thing to look at a report about the economic impac…

Have you asked Priya for her opinion about this? You've outlined the pessimistic case. Priya has qualifications in biotechnology. She currently spends her time doing work that sounds quite repetitive. If AI tools can help accelerate that work, is there a more optimistic scenario where she gets to do different, related work that isn't automatable? (I personally really hope the pessimistic case isn't what happens here,…

In my experience with Indians, in my opinion, they, more than any other populace value brands and labels.

So, in a scenario where LLM automates her job, she will be unemployed along with 10 with the same job as her, and the "creative" job will go to someone who did her degree/s from an IIT.

This is another fallacy when it comes to AI-replacements of jobs.

AI will do the menial, repeating job and only the interesting, creative, hard jobs will be left for humans. What's the twist is that you WON'T be the human with that job.

You will be unemployed or in a UBI or your parents' basement eating Ramen, and that job will be done by an MIT gold medalist or a Math Olympiad medalist.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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ChatGPT has been most useful for me to:

Help learn about things I don’t know about. For some reason it’s better than going to the equivalent wiki.

Not programming but moving through the inertia of having to write code. There’s something difficult to just getting started that chatGPT makes much much easier. However for it to be useful so far I’ve had to do significant debugging on the code but it gets me somewhere that would have otherwise taken me days.

I think where this goes is domain specific, because then you can really specialize and make a killer product. This is the 0-5 year roadmap.

The 5-10 year roadmap is then to generalize across the various domains and something approximating the feared AGI.

I am not scared of the LLMs, I am somewhat concerned we are giving these LLMs access to APIs in quite an unchecked fashion.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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> This has been the promise over and over again, for centuries, and it has consistently not paid off. You are working the same number of hours as before (40 ish) because companies are producing 10x as much goods in the same amount of time. If they produced only the same amount, ie 1x, you'd have your 2 hour work day (or more likely be out of a job). It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job…

>> It is because companies are producing more stuff that you have a job at all currently. To whom would companies sell their stuff if nobody worked enough to earn money to buy their stuff?

Yes, that's a legitimate problem, but not one currently since there are many billions of people still working.
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