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Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by 9dev »

fennecfoxy wrote: post #458
3np wrote: post #404

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Equally arguable: Rape feels good and no amount of preaching is changing that. Has similarly been part of human culture for time immemorial. I still consider it desirable to reduce the amount of rape to 0, regardless of how important it might feel to rapists.

This is incredibly counterintuitive as really what you mean is "rape feels good to a rapist". That's the important part. I feel like the majority of people, if held at gunpoint and forced to rape somebody, would not be comfortable, they would not enjoy it and it would be a scarring, traumatic experience.

What is counterintuitive in OPs statement if we're talking about eating meat?

> Rape feels good and no amount of preaching is changing that. Has similarly been part of human culture for time immemorial.

> [Meat] is tasty and no amount of your religious preaching is going to change that.

There is no ambiguity here? A rapist doesn't regard the feelings of their victims. Someone who eats an animal doesn't regard the feelings of that animal. In both cases, it's clear who enjoys that situation and who suffers for it.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by 9dev »

mrguyorama wrote: post #382
9dev wrote: post #348

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No, I know that. A steak is one of the most delicious things I've ever eaten, for sure. But I still have self control, I don't have do do anything that feels good. I just don't want something sentient to die for my dinner, that's all it is.

Then you do you. I am not convinced that an animal killed for food is morally wrong, and I will continue to eat some meat, in moderation, and enjoy when people in my family hunt and fish and eat the things they get. I don't think we have to treat animals as equals to people. That is all completely tangential to this atrocious law from an actually fascist government however. Banning animal-less meat is stupid, backwar…

> and enjoy when people in my family hunt and fish and eat the things they get.

There is a huge difference between going out and killing something yourself, and shredding millions of chiclets a day for chicken nuggets thrown away half eaten. But that's how the majority of people get their meat.

I'm with you on the second paragraph, though.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrfreed »

lm28469 wrote: post #115
jacquesm wrote: post #108

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> now mostly stuck with services, tourism and tech > hard to believe for a lot of people on HN You generalize a lot. The EU does far more than services, tourism and tech and you can't really know what a lot of people on HN find hard to believe, especially if you then throw up a strawman about their professed beliefs.

But then again services represents 73% of European jobs according to Wikipedia HN crowd is by large pro tech and "progress" with little to no concern about ethics, culture and other issues, reading this thread is a prime example of it actually

I would just liket o say that I think that HN is very diverse. I come here to read tech and progress news. But this is also the best site for reading about culture, ethics and other issues that I can find. All newsmedia eg BBC, Guardian, PBS, ABC, New York Times etc., all have an editorial axe to grind. By listening and discussing here with the very people that make 'progress' and in a real sense shape culture I gain very much and am allowed to have an opinion. Most people here are awesome considerate people and the trolls don't usually stick around very long.

RE: 73% jobs - let the machines do the work so people have time to think - and to create culture - and to progress!! Yay HN, yay progress, yay culture!

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrfreed »

9dev wrote: post #459
hobo_in_library wrote: post #440

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So would you be okay with slaughtering animals painlessly and then eating them?

No: An animal is capable of having a subjective existence, emotions and sensations. Slaughtering them needlessly (ie., for luxury purposes) is not okay to me.

The planet is warming. Biodiversity is plumetting. By not eating meat we can have FOUR TIMES the food or keep the forests in place as REALLY NICE. Its not just the animals suffering. It will be many of us suffering as we burn the earth to fill our greedy bellies.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrfreed »

pfdietz wrote: post #138
bovermyer wrote: post #65

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I'm not in favor of banning GMOs, incidentally. The part of the-company-formerly-known-as-Monsanto I take issue with is their predatory practices, like suing farmers for inadvertently cross-pollinating their crops from Monsanto-copyrighted seeds from a neighboring farmer's fields.

You're being a useful fool here, repeating that outright lie, which has been well debunked even here on HN. The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs count on people like you to propagate their poison.

Monsanto is very aggressive to the environment, the farmers, food heritage and common decency. This twisting of reason and aggression you commit is a serious farce. "Blood libel" WTF??

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by mrfreed »

Ferrus91 wrote: post #431
__void wrote: post #200

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but you do eat spaghetti allo scoglio, huh?

Ha, that's nothing. I've been to Italy and there are places where they eat snails, horses and sea urchins, things most Americans would be disgusted by. Not to forget also that the island that invented delicious maggoty cheese aka "casu marzu" also belongs to Italy.

HAHA and I've been to countries where they eat the most disgusting and unnatural two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese and washed down with a sugar liquid of PH2 rotting teeth and guts! Oh my god it was aweful!!!

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by pfdietz »

mrfreed wrote: post #465
pfdietz wrote: post #138

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You're being a useful fool here, repeating that outright lie, which has been well debunked even here on HN. The scoundrels committing this blood libel against Monsanto and GMOs count on people like you to propagate their poison.

Monsanto is very aggressive to the environment, the farmers, food heritage and common decency. This twisting of reason and aggression you commit is a serious farce. "Blood libel" WTF??

Monsanto is subject to outrageous politicized libel of the sort you parrot there. For example, your "to the farmers" there is likely a repeat of the brazen lie that they sue farmers for inadvertent GMO contamination.

Re: Italy moves to ban lab-grown meat to protect food heritage

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Post by prottog »

fnimick wrote: post #448
prottog wrote: post #444

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I fully admit that this country used to have that problem in the past. Here and now, I don't think nearly as much, though it seems like mass media has been doing its level best to fan the flames of a race war ever since George Floyd. I'm not sure what part of the country you live in or what your background is, but it is my sincere belief that there are not nearly as many racists in America in this day and age as you…

Your experience is in urban areas that are predominantly liberal. You realize that in rural areas people are discriminated against regularly or even killed for being a different color? In case you need a refresher of an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ahmaud_Arbery

I promise you the city I live in now is not accurately described as liberal, and I'm minutes away from rural areas. This state is in fact one of the top 10 most rural states.

I'm familiar with the Arbery tragedy. You're extrapolating from this and maybe other high-profile cases to make the argument that there are racists all over the country who are willing to kill. The actual data paints a different picture, with there having been anywhere from five to ten thousand reported hate crimes annually over the past decade or so, with only a few tens of those being murders. Statistically you're about as likely to be killed by a lightning strike as someone murdering you due to your race.

Your claim that people are "discriminated against regularly", of course, is too vague for me to counter.

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Post by AzzieElbab »

virtualritz wrote: post #434
AzzieElbab wrote: post #288

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How much do you know about Italian farming? It is very different from US. Consumption is also declining due to demographics

I have an Italian friend who runs a food business (aperitivo boxes) with locally sourced, organic products from Basilicata (he is from that region). I helped him out quite a bit when he launched it which included taking a detailed look at each producer that he ultimately selected. I lived in Veneto on a farm for almost a year in 2008/2009. So I would say I have above average knowledge about farming in this country.

Ok. As someone who knows more about the subject than I do, how would you estimate the impact of Italian agriculture on climate change?
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