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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by anonyfox »

jacquesm wrote: post #458
Applejinx wrote: post #455

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I don't disagree, but there's a profound difference in effort (most notably seen in Bezos vs. Bankman-Fried). This changes the result, and I think it also significantly changes the framing. Bezos started in the days of Windows 3.1, and already was positioning himself near Microsoft as a force multiplier even though, in those days, he and other humans had to do vast amounts of work and thinking. If the only requiremen…

There is always the French Revolution option... That's how historically we've dealt with too much inequality. It may well get to that.

About time. I am willing to disgruntle some dozens of billionaires in exchange for massive QoL improvements for the billions of people.

Just waiting for enough momentum, will happily join/support.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by [deleted] »

anonyfox wrote: post #252
peyton wrote: post #224

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You’re taking a central planner’s view of a decentralized system. You can’t say “here’s a problem; let’s just make it go away.” We are going to print so much money. I don’t see how bumping up capital gains taxes are going to change anything. People will plow extra help into speculative bubbles. Casino thesis.

How about striding for one of the core societal values that make many advanced democraties (including the European nordics) so much better/happier than the US? It’s called Equality. Insert strong progressive taxes, especially on wealth, and use it to fund a strong public sector, so _everyone_ has as access to basic goods and services for free, like education/health/transport/… . I think you vastly underestimate how m…

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Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by sokoloff »

MonkeyClub wrote: post #376
Mistletoe wrote: post #359

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This is fascinating. I can’t imagine why someone would go to the trouble to do all that for a comment.

The irony of using a LLM to write a text that complains of the pervasiveness of automated tooling for web design is hard to miss. But perhaps it’s just that the author has internalized copywriting formulas to a degree that their text appears machine generated?

The GPT-detector is fascinating (and seemed to work pretty well on some inputs I tested)

On the other hand, this next paragraph is scored as 84% fake and I'm quite sure Churchill didn't have Chat-GPT to help:

> We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the new world, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.

IMO, we must not be too quick to conclude that any given text was created/assisted by an LLM based on a scoring algorithm alone. (A low GPT likelihood is probably reliable [for now, until that starts being gamed].)

If you offered me even odds, I'd wager that the subject comment was 100% hand-written.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by nec4b »

rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

>> I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly.

And yet nobody lost his job. He wasn't fired. He is unhappy because automation equalized the playing field and mediocre artists became good enough with the right tools. The technology enabled him and other artists to be more productive. It feels similar to the best ditch digger getting angry at the invention of excavator, because he doesn't stand out anymore.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by quonn »

anigbrowl wrote: post #164
orbital-decay wrote: post #130

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It didn't take OP's job, though. It gave them another tool that produces better output, but which they don't happen to like (in contrast to their colleague who doesn't have issues with it).

It turned OP from a craftperson to a machine operator. Their less-skilled colleague (either due to lack of talent, experience, or application) is now cruising past them them because they don't care as much as OP did about the work itself. OP is still employed, but now some of the necessary grunt work has become the main task. And that, too, will be easier done by machine before long.

I‘m hoping, perhaps unreasonably, that the work in the short to medium term actually gets better. I‘m currently working on something very interesting after having worked an complete shit a few months last year: Shit where a designer draws up the exact thing and then it is redundantly implemented on mobile by overpaid developers. Let that be done by the AI. Good riddance.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by anonyfox »

jacquesm wrote: post #457
anonyfox wrote: post #441

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This factor is dimishing in importance with the absurdly increasing wealth gap. Who cares about this big majority of people that can’t afford stuff?

Sorry? You think the American economy is so broken that people 'can't afford stuff' anymore? That there is an absurdly increasing wealth gap is a fact, but that doesn't mean that - for the time being - US households as consumers are still spending lots of money. And if you're in the B2B side of the market then it's even easier.

I said dimishing, not gone already. A shrinking middle class is a real problem, leading to all kinds of issues, like reduced spending power - something that until recently was hidden by people going into debt massively… which now turns into even more problems soon.

All the while you can now do stuff in English all over europe increasingly well and legislations are getting normalized between countries, ignoring the odd brexit events here and there.

Ultimately what I am saying is: the factor exists and is significant, but getting lower for the US and other parts of the world are catching up rather quickly.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by NhanH »

maxdoop wrote: post #436
NhanH wrote: post #183

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They aren’t trained on all of human creativity. Most of human communication is verbal, and that still isn’t captured. I am not saying whether it will have much difference, just that your statement is factually wrong.

I used “all” instead of “most”, which is indeed inaccurate. A better response would have been “a collection of humanity’s creativity”. However, you fail to recognize that OpenAI also created Whisper, which is a quote capable speech-to-text transcriber; and this tool easily converts audio and video (those verbal bits you mentioned) into text. So the pool of creativity which OpenAI can train its models on is far larger…

I understand your points, but what I wanted to highlight was something slightly different: verbal communication and dialogs should still consists of magnitude more human conversation than text, or presentation, or basically anything digital.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by ModernMech »

jeppester wrote: post #354

This very well sums up the anxiety I have about how this is going to affect programming. That any creativity and understanding will be sucked out and replaced with prompt engineering. I still think you will have to be a good developer to understand if the solution you get is good, but is that even going to matter when you can just ask again and try again? I think there will be lots of code bases that no-one really un…

People thought the same about OOP when it was new. The promise was that programming would turn more into factory work. You’d get a spec for a component, implement it, then move onto the next. How soul crushing!

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by Laaas »

nec4b wrote: post #464
rafaelero wrote: post #78

When DALL-E 2 was released, I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. This is exactly the type of conversation we need to have as a society. Instead of deluding ourselves that our skills are impossible to be reproduced by a machine, we should strive to build a system with values in which we can find a way to build a good…

>> I remember reading lots of people here in HN saying it would never take the jobs of artists. Well, seems like this argument is aging badly. And yet nobody lost his job. He wasn't fired. He is unhappy because automation equalized the playing field and mediocre artists became good enough with the right tools. The technology enabled him and other artists to be more productive. It feels similar to the best ditch digge…

They could fire him and only keep the other artist though. It's likely they have more capacity now than needed, which if they halve, they can spend more money on a good developer.

Re: I lost everything that made me love my job through Midjourney

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Post by ModernMech »

Trasmatta wrote: post #453
mattlondon wrote: post #358

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It will probably end up being more "test driven development"-like. Write your tests/expectations and the tooling automatically prompts/writes the code to meet the tests.

That sounds pretty miserable, because test writing is one of the least fun aspects of my job

The LLM will write the tests too. Your job would be guiding it.
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