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Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Didn't work for the luddites.

And yet it mostly has worked for nuclear weapons.

While there is a sense in which the existence of nuclear weapons does tend to provoke a reflexive desire to further proliferate them on behalf of (some of) those who don't have access to them, the weapons themselves have no agency (and no prospect of such).

AGI would be a somewhat different kettle of fish, and there is little political will to limit the proliferation of its precursor AI technologies (some economic interest in limiting large scale hardware deployment within China, but that isn't the same thing).

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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Those two branches despise each other with intense passion. I never actually made this connection before, but having spent far too much time listening to both camps, this observation does ring true. Another observation I had is that there is an orthogonal axis to the safety/ethics dichotomy that follows a more scholastic approach, namely neuro/symbolism. These two branches correspond, roughly, to the debate between m…

Wordcels vs shape rotators

Not quite, but close. True words are formidable things and some shapes are just whirlygigs. It's more like, are you building or just performing?

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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This isn't congruent with the AI research community consensus. There's debate over many points, but that we will develop AGI is seen as a forgone conclusion almost universally. The most pessimistic place it closer to 2100, others say 5 years, most say Notably the people closest to the fire, those advancing SOTA AI capabilities and those deepest into alignment/existential risk research, both say it is coming this deca…

So what. Research community "consensus" is meaningless when it comes to something that doesn't exist and which we don't even have a clear path to build. It's just a bunch of pontificating clowns engaging in idle speculation. Total waste of time, like trying to predict what space aliens will look like or whatever. It makes for fun sci-fi stories but it's not something that serious people actually care about.

Saying lies and denigration does not make it true.

Why should we believe you over the experts for whom this is their life's work? What are your credentials? Where is your experience? You seem to think they're unserious clowns so clearly you have a good reason.

Re: Microsoft lays off one of its responsible AI teams

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> They also always seem to conclude that the answer to these problems is to keep these machines centralized in the hands of big companies and governments, which is a very strange conclusion when they tend to get paychecks from those groups. I'm not sure who you mean by they. I'd suggest a vast majority of the public mindshare (in the US at least) of technology gone wrong and dystopias come from sci-fi. In general, I…

By the day I tend to refer to people who are professional AI ethics types. Not sure what you're getting at with the rest of your comment. I would also classify most science fiction as pretty solidly out of touch with what reality is going to look like. It shows us exaggerated aspects of what writers think the future is going to look like, not realistic predictions.

> Not sure what you're getting at with the rest of your comment.

I gave examples of sci-fi to show some ways that many people are exposed to thinking about technological futures.

Claim : The people influenced by science fiction greatly outnumber the reach of people that get paid to do AI ethics. Agree?

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> They also always seem to conclude that the answer to these problems is to keep these machines centralized in the hands of big companies and governments, which is a very strange conclusion when they tend to get paychecks from those groups. I'm not sure who you mean by they. I'd suggest a vast majority of the public mindshare (in the US at least) of technology gone wrong and dystopias come from sci-fi. In general, I…

By the day I tend to refer to people who are professional AI ethics types. Not sure what you're getting at with the rest of your comment. I would also classify most science fiction as pretty solidly out of touch with what reality is going to look like. It shows us exaggerated aspects of what writers think the future is going to look like, not realistic predictions.

> I would also classify most science fiction as pretty solidly out of touch with what reality is going to look like.

What exactly do you mean by ‘out of touch’?

(Personally, I avoid ‘most science fiction’ by not reading all of it. :\) But seriously, I try to read and watch the insightful and brain stretching kinds.)

You wouldn’t be the first to express disbelief. The majority of possible scenarios never happen. But the practice of thinking through them and taking them seriously is valuable. Consider the history of the discipline of scenario planning…

> Early in [the 20th] century, it was unclear how airplanes would affect naval warfare. When Brigadier General Billy Mitchell proposed that airplanes might sink battleships by dropping bombs on them, U.S. Secretary of War Newton Baker remarked, “That idea is so damned nonsensical and impossible that I’m willing to stand on the bridge of a battleship while that nitwit tries to hit it from the air.” Josephus Daniels, Secretary of the Navy, was also incredulous: “Good God! This man should be writing dime novels.”

> Even the prestigious Scientific American proclaimed in 1910 that “to affirm that the aeroplane is going to ‘revolutionize’ naval warfare of the future is to be guilty of the wildest exaggeration.”

> In hindsight, it is difficult to appreciate why air power’s potential was unclear to so many. But can we predict the future any better than these defense leaders did…

Read more at https://sloanreview.mit.edu/article/scenario-planning-a-tool...

> Scenario Planning: A Tool for Strategic Thinking How can companies combat the overconfidence and tunnel vision common to so much decision making? By first identifying basic trends and uncertainties and then using them to construct a variety of future scenarios. By Paul J.H. Schoemaker

Of course, reading sci-fi novels is not the same as systematic scenario planning. But the former tends to show greater imagination and richness.

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