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Re: Twitter was down

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Post by mzs »

mikebonnell wrote: post #97

Twitter Support just posted: "Some parts of Twitter may not be working as expected right now. We made an internal change that had some unintended consequences. We’re working on this now and will share an update when it’s fixed." https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/163279294226274713...

> The change in question was part of a project to shut down free access to the Twitter API, Platformer can now confirm. …

> But in a sign of just how deep Elon Musk’s cuts to the company have been, only one site reliability engineer has been staffed on the project, we’re told. On Monday, the engineer made a “bad configuration change” that “basically broke the Twitter API,” according to a current employee.

https://www.platformer.news/p/how-a-single-engineer-brought-...

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by stcroixx »

echelon wrote: post #458
stcroixx wrote: post #439

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Or we could force these tech companies flush with cash to pay market rate and watch salaries rise or let these companies leave the country if they can’t afford to do business here. These are the richest companies on the planet and they don’t need a labor subsidy, they just want one and are powerful enough to get their way.

> leave the country if they can’t afford to do business here Be careful what you wish for.

I was in the industry before this greedy trend accelerated out of control - I know first hand how much better things were before. I’ve seen a colleague choose death over the abuse the average H1B gets subjected to. The sooner this lie ends, the better for all of us.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by MrOwnPut »

roflyear wrote: post #453
MrOwnPut wrote: post #289

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Certainly. I've been in a poorly run business that did this, and I quit. But I don't mind working late every now and during crunch time, it gets paid forward, usually with time off later. It's about your relationship with your company. My point was from the sounds of it GP had a good relationship and had fun and no-one on HN should tell them what to do because they don't know the situation.

99% of companies who need this don't pay it forward.

99% of companies who need this do pay it forward.

Shall we source our percentages or just keep throwing them out?

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by raydev »

prenoob wrote: post #382
silentsanctuary wrote: post #367

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The frequency and types of outages and failures is significantly more frequent now than pre-Elon. This isn't a surprise to anyone, given Elon's strategy for maintaining Twitter (or not maintaining it, as the case may be). I don't interpret a lot of "drama" as you put it, but interest. Many observers here are in this field, and follow the "chaos engineering" discipline. Some of them use tools like "chaos monkey" that…

Well, the fail whale was a meme way before the musk era..

Yes, almost a decade ago.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by raydev »

JeremyNT wrote: post #414
CameronNemo wrote: post #307

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Don't fire or alienate hordes of engineers with firm-specific talent. Especially for a product/service as mature as Twitter.

I honestly think the engineering/ops problems are the least of their failures. They bled revenue not because of outages, but because wild policy swings and chaotic management style alienated some of their biggest customers. If they had frozen features and left the existing policies in tact, I suspect we would have a dramatically different narrative about the layoffs. If brief interruptions like this are the worst tha…

> If brief interruptions like this are the worst that happens when you cut engineering to the bone, it's a good argument that is Twitter was indeed wildly overstaffed.

Overstaffed in order to maintain Twitter as a static service that never ships new things, sure.

I guess they've been able to ship some things that the old Twitter had already implemented and/or a/b tested. But I'm not sure those count. Meanwhile people have been paying in advance for Twitter Blue features that were promised 3 months ago.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by fallingknife »

echelon wrote: post #429
fallingknife wrote: post #418

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I'm not interested in government policy that allows companies to bring in cheap foreign labor to undercut my compensation. There are 330 million people in the us, so if companies need more engineers, they can pay more and train more. Also, there is no population growth crisis. A decreasing population means less stress on the environment and lower housing costs. Yes, there will be economic effects, but it's hardly cat…

> government policy that allows companies to bring in cheap foreign labor to undercut my compensation They become Americans and rise to your level of comfort and compensation. By working here in the US, they increase the wealth, tax base, and culture of our country. Immigration is a good thing. Skilled immigration even more so. The alternative is that they stay in their home country, and that country grows a tech ind…

I see foreign competition as an inevitability, but I don't think number of engineers is a decisive factor. China and India have enough engineers already, and have for a while, but other than Tiktok, no real competition yet. Whereas Sweden, home of Spotify as you pointed out, has very few.

Even if number of engineers is decisive, we will never stop it by immigration. China + India have more than 8x the population of the US. We would never be able to deprive them of enough engineers via immigration.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by somsak2 »

silentsanctuary wrote: post #367
MrOwnPut wrote: post #324

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Or else your site for logged out users will go down for an hour? What was the reason when Twitter went down pre-Elon? I really don't see the reason for this artificial drama. Do other "X service is down" threads go this way? People say Elon is dramatic, but this thread is honestly ridiculous and way more dramatic than anything I've seen him post.

The frequency and types of outages and failures is significantly more frequent now than pre-Elon. This isn't a surprise to anyone, given Elon's strategy for maintaining Twitter (or not maintaining it, as the case may be). I don't interpret a lot of "drama" as you put it, but interest. Many observers here are in this field, and follow the "chaos engineering" discipline. Some of them use tools like "chaos monkey" that…

is there data on this? doesn't feel like outages are more common to me.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by MrOwnPut »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #427
MrOwnPut wrote: post #259

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The lesson is if Elon runs Twitter, an hour long downtime takes up everyone's day so we can all speculate. Before, it was "healthy for everyone" when Twitter went down (search hn.algolia.com for pre-Elon Twitter downtime threads) Now it's an episode of Real Housewives just like any other Elon thread on HN.

He created that drama when he tried to gaslight the entire tech industry into thinking 90% of engineering jobs were redundant, you can’t expect anything else than for him to get dunked on when the completely predictable consequences of that play out, namely that the service will get more and more unreliable over time.

No. I think the people creating drama here should take responsibility and act like professionals.

No need to pull out terms like gaslighting to justify creating more drama.

A 1 hour downtime is nothing.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by darthrupert »

camjohnson26 wrote: post #427
MrOwnPut wrote: post #259

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The lesson is if Elon runs Twitter, an hour long downtime takes up everyone's day so we can all speculate. Before, it was "healthy for everyone" when Twitter went down (search hn.algolia.com for pre-Elon Twitter downtime threads) Now it's an episode of Real Housewives just like any other Elon thread on HN.

He created that drama when he tried to gaslight the entire tech industry into thinking 90% of engineering jobs were redundant, you can’t expect anything else than for him to get dunked on when the completely predictable consequences of that play out, namely that the service will get more and more unreliable over time.

It does hurt the proud IT worker in me, the knowledge that half of us can be thrown away and almost nobody notices.

Perhaps the takeaway is that we should get our shit together. The opposite of r/antiwork.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by hef19898 »

RC_ITR wrote: post #388
hef19898 wrote: post #343

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If I were a former Twitter shareholder, I'd be extremely grateful to the board for selling the whole thing for 44 Bn. No way tje company would have reached this evaluation without Musk. And Musk knew it, he just signed himself a contract he couldn't het out of.

As a nit, Twitter traded well above $44bn for good portions of 2021. It was arguably even a fair price when he offered it (acquisition always have premiums), the market just turned.

So, shareholders got paid the pre-downturn price after the downturn? At a time big tech went down double 10+%? Sounds like an incredibly good deal to me.
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