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US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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#461

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Do you honestly think shooting down a balloon in your own airspace is an aggressive act?

Yes. Given that they have allowed free passage of such weather balloons for decades previously.

It wasn't a weather balloon. Weather balloon don't do high precision EM signals collection, so your reasoning here is completely made up.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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I think China erred by sending such a large balloon that was visible to the naked eye, causing the American public to demand it be shot down. There's no hard rule about where national airspace ends and space begins.. a lot of times they fly too high for planes to reach, and under certain circumstances balloons are allowed through national airspace.. so if the balloon isn't causing a problem (like being a hazard to ai…

>But the US public saw this massive balloon and demanded it be shot down

1. Where can one find evidence of this mass demand?

2. How does the US government gauge this mass demand without formal voting/polling?

Were people phoning their senators, "SHOOT IT DOWN!"? I'm sure crazies phone in all kinds of things from time to time - what's the threshold for acting on demands/mass demand?

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It’s not so common any more. I bet less than 5% of gen Z know it.

There are many things it seems GenZ is unaware of but it is very much a common, well-known expression for more serious people.

Does more serious equal older? I’m already too serious!

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

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I think China erred by sending such a large balloon that was visible to the naked eye, causing the American public to demand it be shot down. There's no hard rule about where national airspace ends and space begins.. a lot of times they fly too high for planes to reach, and under certain circumstances balloons are allowed through national airspace.. so if the balloon isn't causing a problem (like being a hazard to ai…

Ranking members of the previous administration have publicly denied that there were any previous balloons and no evidence has been presented that there were previous similar incidents.

No evidence has been presented to us. It sounds like the info came from the intelligence community, and they likely wouldn’t tell how they know what they know.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

#466

For anyone who wants a bit of entirely factual context COMPLETELY absent from mainstream reporting. US Military to Use High-Altitude Balloons Against China, Russia: Report https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/07/06/us-military-balloo...

The source article says they would be used to detect Chinese and Russian missiles. But that doesn’t mean the US had any plans to just float them over China or Russia. It’s a stretch to present these as equivalent.

You raise a good point, and are right that the linked article doesn't explicitly say this. And searching a bit, I didn't find any other clear claims about how these would be used. But is there actually some other way that would make sense to deploy them? At 80,000 feet or so, I think it would only work as a sensor platform if it was close to the area you were monitoring, and being a balloon, it would be difficult to stay at an exact location just outside of a country's airspace.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

#468

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Pilots always claim sensor interference- it covers any mistakes they may have made.

Evidence for this?

Look, it was just a weather balloon, folks. Nothing to see here. Sounds familiar.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

#469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are many things it seems GenZ is unaware of but it is very much a common, well-known expression for more serious people.

Does more serious equal older? I’m already too serious!

I know quite a few teenagers who are far more serious than my middle-aged self.

Re: US aircraft shoots down new airborne object over Canada

#470

I think China erred by sending such a large balloon that was visible to the naked eye, causing the American public to demand it be shot down. There's no hard rule about where national airspace ends and space begins.. a lot of times they fly too high for planes to reach, and under certain circumstances balloons are allowed through national airspace.. so if the balloon isn't causing a problem (like being a hazard to ai…

We are totally clueless about the PRC's objective to say whether they erred. One plausible (though entirely speculative) explanation could be they wanted the US to react this way. Now we will waste our military resources responding to these balloons and they in turn will learn about our military readiness. They could be intentionally probing and start sending smaller and smaller balloons to figure out where our detec…

Might not be a probe of military capability, but rather a probe of diplomatic stance. US govt is forced to make a statement about the balloon -- which normally they wouldn't care about -- to the public: US govt can choose to either lie and save face for China, saying it was a weather balloon, thus demonstrating earnestness in building relations, or tell the truth and say it was a spy balloon, thus demonstrating unwillingness to paper over such a diplomatic faux pas.
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