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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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If not your AirTag follows you, you'll get message informing you that someone is tracking you.

I was mostly thinking about my neighbours having airbags in their own homes. There's an iPhone that I only use for dev, and it surprises me at how bad it keeps charge when it's basically not in use, whereas my old S8 has far better standby time.

In the "Find my" setting there must be an option to turn off participation in the "Find my Network" which is the function of iPhone to act like a relay to other devices who want to advertise their position but don't have internet access.

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Nobody cares about better app and notification management? Some of these are niche but those two things make Android better at being a smartphone than the iPhone. You might not care about these things but some people do. Rounding errors start to add up when there's lots of them.

Apple's notification management is better than what I remember from my last Android phone (years ago, a Pixel, latest version at the time, I think in 2017 or 2018). Apple's app management is definitely mixed, but I find it quite easy to use as-is, certainly not deficient enough to be a deal-breaker. And most people--by far--don't care much about either item.

Android lets you easily disable notifications for some features of apps in settings. Apple is all or nothing and you have to hope that the app dev was kind enough to put granular notification settings in the app. It's also just better at stuff like in-notfication replies.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Do you have the same apps installed? Years back I found uninstalling Facebook was like a 20% battery life improvement - I didn’t even open it much but it was so busy in the background. Going through the battery usage report and pruning apps is like flossing: most people should do it more often than they do.

Yes, we both have FB and Insta installed... The problem is the poor battery management on the phone. Not fair to blame the apps for Apple's failure.

> The problem is the poor battery management on the phone. Not fair to blame the apps for Apple's failure.

You can't separate the two: if the apps are requesting the phone do more work, that's going to affect the battery life. That's why I suggested looking at the battery usage history since it often has surprises if you don't, and comparing two devices with different workloads doesn’t tell you much.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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> the s23 has dramatically more memory so it’s going to absolutely kick the crap out of the iPhone12 after it starts to swap your tabs into memory. Do you have any reproducible test results showing that or are you just asserting tribal loyalty? I jest, we all know the answer. You might want to read up on how iOS and Android differ in key ways: native code versus JIT, garbage collection versus ARC, and all of the syst…

While I agree with your overall points, you are wrong on the details: Android runs native code and ARC is just another form of GC (with less memory overhead, but also less throughput for what it matters. It is probably the better choice for mobile devices). Apple hardware is just that much better, it is not about the software stack.

Android does have native code support, but do non-games use it commonly? The Android reviews I've read tend to mention that being a game thing when talking about why it's important to have more RAM.

(And, yes, I should have said “Java's GC vs. ARC” since that tends to have higher peaks)

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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> the s23 has dramatically more memory so it’s going to absolutely kick the crap out of the iPhone12 after it starts to swap your tabs into memory. Do you have any reproducible test results showing that or are you just asserting tribal loyalty? I jest, we all know the answer. You might want to read up on how iOS and Android differ in key ways: native code versus JIT, garbage collection versus ARC, and all of the syst…

Android since version 5 AOT compiles the code, since version 7 it JITs first and then AOT compiles on idle, nowadays not only it JIT/AOT compiles it does so by using PGO metadata shared across devices via the PlayStore. Reference counting is a GC algorithm.

> Android since version 5 AOT compiles the code, since version 7 it JITs first and then AOT compiles on idle, nowadays not only it JIT/AOT compiles it does so by using PGO metadata shared across devices via the PlayStore.

Thanks, I knew that Android had native code support but I've always heard that described as something mostly used by games.

> Reference counting is a GC algorithm.

Yes, I should have been pedantic and written “Java's GC” since the point was that historically it's tended to trade RAM for performance. The classic complaint I've heard from our mobile developers was that Objective-C forced you to focus more on memory management.

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iOS has historically done a lot better with less RAM (as far as how snappy and responsive it feels) than Android. Dunno if that's still the case, but it very much was for years and years.

Related, I'm using an M1 MacBook with only 8Gb, and I don't understand how it's doing what it's doing.

2013 MacBook Air with 4GB, and I still ask the same question ten years in.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Let’s check back a few years later, how will that phone stand up. More powerful hardware is also future-proofing the devices, which apple actually care about. Hopefully this will change as now even Samsung promises some 5 years of software updates, but previously you could almost throw out a perfectly fine android phone 2 years later..

Why do phones get slower at the same tasks over time? Maybe our perceptions change?

That’s part of it: when you got a new phone, you probably noticed it being faster than the old one but over time your expectations adjust.

One factor which used to be under appreciated was battery degradation prior to that whole “Batterygate” flap back in 2016 where a lot of people learned that iOS throttled processor performance when the battery could no longer supply enough voltage for peak performance. That’s a lot more visible now so it’s less of a surprise than it used to be.

Most of the problem is that developers aren’t focused only on performance, so as the baseline hardware capacity increases the apps will slowly start to use more since very few people are going to spend time on something which seems fast enough.

That doesn’t happen all at once but it adds up over the half decade a phone will last. If you bought a phone and never updated anything, its performance would seem far more consistent … at least if you could avoid getting malware installed.

That third point is why I shared the link above: a lot of developers upgrade more frequently than average people and that means that our instincts for what seems fast enough might be missing things with our apps. That usually doesn’t mean things are unusable but it’s still polite to use your work on, say, the phone a senior citizen gets subsidized to make sure that you’re comfortable with that being the public face of your work.

(Bandwidth usage is at least as important here, too: use your website on 3G or ask how much it’d cost to use on a metered plan)

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People's tolerance varies and so do the sites they visit – and things like news sites are a lot better than they used to be before Google started more aggressively including performance in their search ranking factors. My interest in this topic is mostly the same as the author of the post I linked, namely making sure that developers test and measure on lower-end devices to make sure they're not building sites which e…

I agree on the principle. Developers should care about low budget devices, and demographics—key or not—shouldn’t be excluded. The principle is sound. But that is different from the observation of the beginning of this thread, which is that Geekbench scores don’t really reflect practical limitation of devices. A big difference in the score does not mean a noticeable difference in performance when doing everyday web br…

I definitely agree that the focus should be broader - most websites, for example, probably bottleneck on the network first.

The broader point wasn’t that you should buy an iPhone but simply that the reason to care about single core benchmarks is that browsers fit that profile. It’s still perfectly reasonable to conclude that’s good enough for the sites you use.

I also feel like there’s an interesting angle about ad blocking here since that probably matters more than multiple processor generations.

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> You care about single-core performance when you use the web: Theoretically, I would care. But in practice, I just took out an old budget android phone, gave it a go at browsing the web (news, images, and videos), and it seemed not to be noticeably slower than my much newer and pricier iPhone. Benchmarks would probably show a great difference between the two, but my eyes can't tell.

Let’s check back a few years later, how will that phone stand up. More powerful hardware is also future-proofing the devices, which apple actually care about. Hopefully this will change as now even Samsung promises some 5 years of software updates, but previously you could almost throw out a perfectly fine android phone 2 years later..

But you don't have to anymore. My S20 is from March of 2020 and it's still as fast as the day I got it. It's hitting EoL for support, but as you said if I bought a new S23 Samsung promises supported for 5 years, and I think it might actually make it that whole way without slowing down.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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> When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Whenever I have to use an older phone to do anything. App and web developers seem to be in an arms race with moore's law to see if they can waste the extra resources faster than hardware manufacturers can provide them.

Note: they can. Moore’s law didn’t end in its original form (we do get more transistors per unit still), but the usual interpretation of “faster CPUs” are long gone. So hopefully stronger focus on performance will happen soon.

But why would stronger focus on performance happen? Is, e.g., Microsoft teams in danger of losing market share because of its horrible performance?

Is product speed really a differentiator that affect’s people’s buying decision?

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