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Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by throwawaysleep »

rossdavidh wrote: post #420

Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

> Five years from now, I think we will not see "remote only" for a large company and think "ooh, they value their employees I guess", but rather, "uh oh, they like to think of their employees as being like virtual servers, easy to spin up and easy to shut down the moment you don't need to pay for that capacity".

I would argue that companies already view their employees this way, in office or remote. Companies do not value employees. We are valued the same way you would value coal. If you need energy, keep buying and if not, stop.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by codethief »

LarryMullins wrote: post #279
bmy78 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is the result of Microsoft taking a look at Slack and saying, how can we make this feel more like Excel?

I wish I could believe that Microsoft appreciates Excel that much. Excel is one of the most empowering applications ever written and the single greatest thing Microsoft has ever been involved with.

> I wish I could believe that Microsoft appreciates Excel that much

Yeah, I don't think they really appreciate the Excel pro scene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xubbVvKbUfY

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by Nullabillity »

geuis wrote: post #428
rossdavidh wrote: post #420

Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

Look, you can't have it both ways. People on HN are always talking badly about companies that don't allow work from home, or require at least a couple days in the office. Then a company says it's going entirely remote (not including the layoff context) and people shit on that. Which is it? As for the layoffs, I don't have anything to add to that. There a Microsoft decision.

The layoffs are relevant context for how people are going to interpret the policy change though.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by hodgesrm »

roboben wrote: post #27

The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

> The worst part of this is that everyone at GitHub is now forced to use Microsoft Teams.

On the plus side it means that some people will welcome a layoff with severance.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by MikeTheGreat »

stefan_ wrote: post #282
napsec wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the CEO's statement it seems the final layoffs aren't even finalized yet. > Unfortunately, this will include changes that will result in a reduction of GitHub’s workforce by up to 10% through the end of FY23. A number of Hubbers will receive notifications today, others will follow as we are re-aligning the business through the end of FY23.

Wonder what teenagers these days think of when you call someone a "hubber"

Urban Dictionary has a pile of different definitions, many of which are quite unique. [1] I'm curious if you're thinking of a particular one?

[1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hubbers

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by matwood »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #432
rossdavidh wrote: post #420

Closing all offices, I have to say, makes it way easier to do more layoffs. Having been through layoffs in semiconductor manufacturing in the 90's, when you had to, you know, get the people from work and take them to a place and all that, it involved paying a lot of money for extra security and such. With no offices, it's a lot easier, and you never have to meet the person face to face. Five years from now, I think w…

Five years from now, I think we will not see "remote only" for a large company and think "ooh, they value their employees I guess", but rather, "uh oh, they like to think of their employees as being like virtual servers, easy to spin up and easy to shut down the moment you don't need to pay for that capacity". That's basically how the movie industry has always worked. Why keep people on your books when you're not act…

> It'll be interesting to see if more industries are able to adopt a similar model.

If the US offered some sort universal healthcare this would be much easier to see happen. UH would also be a boon for small business.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by gray_-_wolf »

dzikimarian wrote: post #343
gunshai wrote: post #188

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Can someone give me the TLDR on why they hate teams so much? I suppose I work in an organization with few true "technical" folks, and everyone is under Microsoft licenses so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. I've used both slack and teams. What am I really missing out on here?

* Call in 2 minutes, customer sent teams link. You tap it on your phone. * You expect to enter nickname and connect as a guest (my company doesn't use teams) * F.. u. Today we're going to log into Microsoft account. No option to abort. * Personal account doesn't work (bonus points if you already have private office 365 logged in and it defaults to this account, then takes you straight to the error or tells you after…

> * F.. u. Today we're going to log into Microsoft account. No option to abort.

Actually I found a solution for this (on android). Open the settings, apps, find teams app and force stop it. Then try to open the link again. You should get the guest prompt. Sometimes this needs to be repeated few times, but so far this approach works for me reliably.

Re: GitHub to lay off 10% and close all offices

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Post by onlypositive »

mlyle wrote: post #452
brundolf wrote: post #430

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There are different people on this website and they can have different opinions about things

And we can even have somewhat contradictory opinions about things. E.g. the option for remote work is really nice for many and may be required to be viable in the future... but are we losing some fundamental part of teamwork by leaving the office? And does it really just make us more expendable?

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