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The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Post by tickerticker »

nocoolnametom wrote: post #366
commandlinefan wrote: post #316

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Well, in fairness, OP is right : everybody would be under a lot less stress if all of their needs were met for the entirety of their lives with no expectation to ever contribute anything. He's missing the realization that somebody has to contribute something to meet the needs of all the people whose needs are being met regardless of their contribution, which is why communism always fails in practice.

Everybody would be under a lot less stress if [a basic level] of their needs were met [to avoid at the very least bankruptcy and preventable life-long injury or even death] for the entirety of their lives with no expectation to ever contribute anything. He's missing the realization that [everyone] has to contribute something [via progressive taxation] to meet the [basic level of] needs of all the people whose [basic…

The U.K.’s Government-Run Healthcare Service Is in Crisis, from the WSJ, 2.6.23

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Post by remarkEon »

solarmist wrote: post #431
remarkEon wrote: post #429

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That doesn’t strike me as a good thing. Maintenance of “safety needs” is part and parcel of finding love and belonging in the first place. If we’re offloading that all together, then yeah I can see how more and more get depressed and suicidal. They don’t have anything to live for when you get down to it.

That's not what moving up means; they're cumulative from the bottom up. You can't move up to the next level until all lower levels are consistently met. Moving up means those needs are being met satisfactorily and can be maintained without prolonged attention. And if a lower level stops being met, your level will fall to that level until it is met again. I.e., if you're hungry and don't know when your next meal is, t…

Right, I'm aware of Maslow's work, I just think it's wrong on a number of different dimensions, or at least incomplete.

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Post by DiggyJohnson »

atlgator wrote: post #288
mouse_ wrote: post #148

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I guarantee most of these "high achieving high anxiety types" live with significantly less anxiety than customer service reps/bag handlers/food service workers.

As someone who got started as a bag handler at Winn Dixie, I can tell you I'm a lot more stressed out now managing a career than I ever was working a "job."

Winn Dixie cashier here - my first job. I’ve never counted the clock so hard, but I’m pretty sure I forgot the content of my shift the moment I walked out.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

yafbum wrote: post #456
mensetmanusman wrote: post #268

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Our new cultural leaders have convinced everyone to out-victim everyone else. The more of a victim you are the better.

Plot twist: our culture is defined by our collective values, not by our leaders. Leaders who tap into narratives of victimhood are only enabled to rise because enough of us like to see themselves as an aggrieved victim of oppression. Including those who see culture as something imposed on them by leaders and see themselves as a victim of cultural wars.

Culture is imposed upon people by those with power. That’s why our culture is defined by hollywood at the moment.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Post by yafbum »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #464
yafbum wrote: post #456

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Plot twist: our culture is defined by our collective values, not by our leaders. Leaders who tap into narratives of victimhood are only enabled to rise because enough of us like to see themselves as an aggrieved victim of oppression. Including those who see culture as something imposed on them by leaders and see themselves as a victim of cultural wars.

Culture is imposed upon people by those with power. That’s why our culture is defined by hollywood at the moment.

? The most watched news media in America is Fox News. The leading party in Congress is the Republican party. In actual statistical terms and in actual political power terms, that's the definition of mainstream, but somehow those who have the power like to pretend Hollywood has it, so they can sell a narrative of victimhood even as their culture is, just as a matter of fact, the dominant one.

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Post by oneoff786 »

retrac wrote: post #82
oneoff786 wrote: post #35

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> less cultural cohesion due to hyper diversity in memes resulting in fewer shared experiences People being different is bad?

People do need common culture. I have a friend in his mid-20s and he is always "Do you know [YouTube personality]?" or showing me memes that require extensive explanations. And we're actually very similar people in many ways. Some of this is just me not being hip with the next generation's culture. But he also has not seen almost any of what I would call the American film canon. So we can't even discuss cheesy 80s ac…

Ok but… this is so obviously a generational thing. You know who does know the YouTuber? His peers. He does not watch cheesy 80s films and you don’t watch 40s theater. People absolutely don’t need mainstream media. Mainstream media hits the lowest common denominator and tends to suck.

I think most YouTubers and uncomfortably fake to watch, but I would still prefer people watch that over mainstream tv…

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Post by mbrochh »

For the sake of thinking outside of the box, I would want someone to comb through all data and evidence and try to find out if MAYBE the teen mental illness epidemic could be correlated to the other gigantic epidemic that is currently bringing down western civilisation: Insulin Resistance.

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DubiousPusher wrote: post #360
password11 wrote: post #323

girls 15-19 that self harmed: 0.45% -> 0.7%. A 47% increase! boys 15-19 that died by suicide: 0.01% -> 0.016%. A 34% increase! Relative increase percentages (i.e. exponentials) are misleading when they are measuring linear phenomena like suicide rate. You could just as easily say there was a 0.1% decrease in the percent of boys who didn't die by suicide. It's misleading because the new 0.006% of male suicides are unr…

Help me out. I don't see the problem. If there are 100 suicides per 100,000 people in a year amongst a cohort and the next year there are 134 per 100,000, that's an increase in total suicides of 34%. I don't really see why that's not useful as an indicator of how much worse the problem is getting. To me, it would be nice if they were clearer about what that percentage represents, is it the average from 2000-2010 vs t…

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Post by oneoff786 »

mech987 wrote: post #227
oneoff786 wrote: post #66

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But come on. Diversity is not actually bad. People being diverse even if they think it’s bad is not bad. And memes are not a meaningful driver of diversity.

I don't think any of the people you are having a discussion with are making the claims you think they are making.

I’m responding to

> less cultural cohesion due to hyper diversity in memes resulting in fewer shared experiences

My take is it’s a bunch of people who are out of touch with the youth assuming that the youth feel out of touch with each other.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic began around 2012

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Post by [deleted] »

Khelavaster wrote: post #241
imbnwa wrote: post #141

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> and slowly trickle down Seems like a strong assumption that it necessarily does splash damage beyond a certain cohort. I went to a public HS of 4K in the 00s only AP Juniors/Seniors were concerned with this kind of thing and AP kids were only friends with other AP kids (for obvious reasons); I'd doubt that've changed by 2012.

Many badly-envisioned schools restrict access to AP classes or even AP tests, instead of letting kids follow their passions and meeting demand.

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