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Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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Post by oblio » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 9:33 AM UTC

zaroth wrote: post #425

freejazz wrote: post #371

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Yeah, I totally love having to take my eyes off the road in order to press any button in the cockpit. Truly brilliant design!

Why are you pressing buttons in the “cockpit” while you’re supposed to be driving? The “cockpit” button-obsession on HN is really cute sometimes. As if most drivers with button-filled “cockpits” actually feel around for them while still looking at the road. Everything timing critical for driving is either fully automated or on the wheel in a Tesla, by the way.

Can you control the AC fully automatically or on the wheel in a Tesla?

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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Post by macspoofing » Wed, Jan 11, 2023, 1:14 PM UTC

Zigurd wrote: post #259

macspoofing wrote: post #143

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>The idea that services like Uber without the drivers would make car ownership obsolete drove those valuations. Huh? What? No. That's not where the valuation came from. To be fair to Uber, they created a new type of market for which there was an immense demand for. Their self-driving initiatives were a moonshot and maybe got some people excited and therefore invested in Uber (see Tesla/Musk), but not quite the same a…

Hype is not a crime. It enabled Tesla to access cheap capital. But Tesla went too far and starting collecting money for something that won't work anytime soon and possibly not within the lifespan of Teslas on the road now. The promise was "buy this car and soon it will self-drive" (and for Uber it was "Never mind we don't have a sustainable business model now, we will soon with self-driving").

>The promise was "buy this car and soon it will self-drive" (and for Uber it was "Never mind we don't have a sustainable business model now, we will soon with self-driving").

OK - you can make that argument. The point I'm disputing is OP's statement that "Tesla, and even more Uber, were priced as if self driving cars are almost here." I don't believe that statement. That is, I don't believe that the valuation of either company was based on the idea that FSD was almost here.

Re: Investors conclude that Tesla is a carmaker, not a tech firm

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Post by nebula8804 » Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 1:04 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #438

nebula8804 wrote: post #432

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>Heck they are even having trouble with a wireless charging pad, and have basically conceded the market to Qi. Do you own any Magsafe devices? Their Magsafe implementation is like magic and its extremely practical. It (among many other things) has essentially locked me into iPhone ecosystem for good.

Magsafe (the iPhone one) = Qi + magnets. There is nothing "magic" about it. You can even get non-Apple branded wireless chargers that have replicated the functionality. The new Qi2 standard will also have this built-in (with help from Apple in fact). It is hardly some revolutionary new product area or source of revenue for the company. Meanwhile AirPower was in announced in 2017 and has still failed to materialize.

Is it implemented as standard in any series of Android phones? As far as I have seen, it is standard on the entire iPhone line 12 and up(minus the old iphone 8 design used in SE). Thats three generations and it has spawned a whole ecosystem of products that utilize the functionality(my favorite being the magnetic car mount/charger). Its magic because they managed to implement it extremely well + make this ecosystem possible due to their decision of rolling it out nearly complete product wide which helps expand the third party ecosystem. As a user, I measure how magical something is by how much better it makes my life and let me tell you, this implementation has been amazing. It is the third Apple thing I have called "magical" in the last 5 years. The other two being the Airpods Pro(again amazing implementation) + the M series chips(the speed and snappiness has made me impressed with a new computer for the first time in a long time).

I once had a similar solution with the Nexus 5(the last Android phone I bought new before I tried an iPhone and subsequently never looked back). This phone had some sort of magnetic charging system that combined with a third party car mount. Unfortunately the implementation sucked as many times it would fail to begin charging and once in a while some freak accident would happen where it would charge but the phone would get scary burning hot and then overheat. When this happened, the stupid phone starts to throttle and nothing is responsive anymore, not even the damn ability to power down the phone. Real great having to correct this issue when im supposed to be driving the damn car. The Nexus5 was the poster child for all that was wrong with Android.

>Meanwhile AirPower was in announced in 2017 and has still failed to materialize.

Why would this matter to me? I'm pleased with the solutions Apple has already provided. If they can't deliver something then I'm not going to call that particular thing magical but the magsafe in the phones is shipping and it is in fact magical.