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Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by somethingreen »

lycopodiopsida wrote: post #401
somethingreen wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you point me to a couple videos of Czech JB devs talking at Czech conferences in Czech? Asking seriously. Because I was a russian speaking Ukrainian until recently and used to listen to tech podcasts and talks in russian all the time, for years, starting back when JB products just started gaining popularity. Not once was the company or it's products regarded as Czech by russians. It was always talked about as r…

Why should an multinational IT company aiming at developers talk in a local language? How does a heritage of founders matters? Google is half a russian company by that metric, as in "Sergey Brin". JetBrains is a Czech company because it was created in Czech Republic and is operated from Czech Republic. They've had significant development resources in pre-war Russia, like many big companies, because it was a cheap and…

Well, there we go. The grandparent comment argued that JB is a russian company (as in employing mostly russians) and it may not be a right thing to do continuing to pay pretty salaries to people responsible at the very least for letting their country slip into genocidal fascism, while they enjoy their new life in Europe and the regime they helped raise continues murdering Ukrainians and kidnapping their children.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by bombolo »

julianeon wrote: post #459
bombolo wrote: post #434

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> Life's too short to not maximize your productivity for a few $'s. I feel that's not my problem as an employee. I work the same amount of time regardless.

Yes, but the work you do has commercial value to you also, based on its merits alone. Example: without Intellij, you deploy some back end code interacting with an OCR solution. Example: with Intellij, you can build the whole OCR solution yourself. Doing the latter translates long term into higher salaries and more money in your pocket. You have to talk about what you did in interviews and your answers will be reflect…

So you are saying that Intellij and IDE/completion make people smarter and more capable rather than a bit faster?

Do you have any source for this very surprising claim?

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Post by Maxburn »

LASR wrote: post #235

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. I know this first hand, building a developer tool startup and failing to reach any level of revenue. In the end, the tech was bought out by a larger company to recover a fraction of our VC investment. The challenge is that when you're building software for developers, they already know how it must work. It's like trying to sell magic tricks to magici…

OCR and document scanning companies is a big deal. I have a family member that used to do sales in this area and indeed companies with a lot of records and paper are paying big to get that digitized.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by bombolo »

galaxyLogic wrote: post #323

> Our diagnosis is that individual developers do not pay for tools. Does it mean employees don't pay for the tools? Or that single-person ("individual") independent developers don't? Why wouldn't a developer pay $100 for a tool that saves a day of work for them?

> Why wouldn't a developer pay $100 for a tool that saves a day of work for them?

Because their boss will give them something else to do and now the developer has 100$ less and nothing to show for it.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by tgv »

netik wrote: post #39

Ten years too early? no. They got wiped out by microsoft, github copilot, and litigation issues around AI provided code.

What that says to me is: we were absolutely not capable of developing the required technology, went to market anyway, and feel spite because someone else developed tech that could have made us successful 10 years ago.

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Post by dr_kiszonka »

imiric wrote: post #124
neilv wrote: post #51

Opensourcing code when you shut down has the nice effect of making it available to the world. It also has the nice effect of keeping the code available to the people most familiar with it, as they move on to other ventures.

Open sourcing when you're shutting down is only marginally better to not releasing anything. It means that you didn't believe in open source while you were in business, and are only doing so now to score some points with your customers. There's no guarantee that someone will step up and maintain the project for you.

I am glad they open-sourced their code. If you ever wanted to write an autocomplete plugin for SublimeText or VSCode or wondered how to implement a GitHub crawler in Go, their repo is very informative.

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Post by bombolo »

hemantv wrote: post #335

I know good developers pay for tools. Maybe the lesson for someone who wants to be best at what they do is do things 90% of people they are competing with wouldn't do.

You know there is no score board for software engineers right?

And you know that the company is supposed to buy this stuff and you can get fired for using unapproved tools that send code and probably violate copyright.

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by lijogdfljk »

meowmeowmoo wrote: post #245
lijogdfljk wrote: post #178

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Yea.. i happily pay for several JetBrains tools and i'd love to pay for even more. I've got several problems that i don't want to spend time solving myself. Frankly as a developer i've got more problems than i can count and if it involves a GUI i tend to prefer to pay for it. I love FOSS but UX is just not often a focus. I have better experience with paid products. Assuming the licensing isn't punishing.

What problems would you pay to have solved for you that don’t already have a solution?

Biggest one off the top of my head is in the category of developer productivity (which i pay a lot for already), and specifically it lets me use my editor of choice (Helix/Kakoune currently) while getting powerful new features.

Huge hurdle, obviously, but my thought was an expanded set of LSP features from JetBrains, disconnected from their IDEs. They spend quite a bit of time and money on developing DX but it's all inaccessible to those of us who prefer different editors.

I'd pay a lot for these sorts of features that go above the existing FOSS LSP, while retaining more integration to the FOSS tooling we've come to know and love (like editors or choice).

There's more i'm positive, but i just woke up :)

Re: Kite is saying farewell and open-sourcing its code

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Post by BMorearty »

bombolo wrote: post #437
BMorearty wrote: post #339

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Agreed. JetBrains and GitHub Copilot are the two exceptions for me as an individual programmer.

> GitHub Copilot are the two exceptions for me as an individual programmer I'm sure your boss will be overjoyed when the company will get hit by a lawsuit :)

Oh yes I’m sure my boss is shaking in their boots about being liable for how I spend my own money on my own time for personal projects.
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