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Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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> One could argue that the whole purpose of society is to get rid of scarcity. Scarcity of resources has nothing to do with scarcity of artistic works. Literature isn't fungible like a commodity, and can't be grown or mined as needed. It's also not a professional service or a form of labor. You can't put a gun to a farmer's head and make them write something brilliant, the way you can make them farm potatoes. One cou…

> One could just as easily argue that society exists to organize labor in a way that increases specialization and efficiency. The reduction of scarcity is just a side effect. If so, then what is the purpose of specialization and efficiency, if not for the reduction of scarcity, in terms of individual access to resources? If cooperation wasn't beneficial for the individual, nobody would cooperate (unless forced to do…

You're talking about distribution cost and ignoring the cost in time (and lost opportunity to do something else) to the writers or musicians.

The price of a record was never just the cost of pressing the record. CDs cost pennies to burn; paper and digital printing by the late 20th century were extremely cheap. The wholesale and retail prices always included pay for the artist (along with a raft of agents and corporations along for the ride). Spotify itself imposes artificial costs to distributing music, in the form of limits, prohibiting downloads, subscriptions and advertising. They do this to make money for themselves, but also to pay the artists.

As you say, distribution is now essentially free from a technical standpoint. There's no philosophical difference between Spotify charging 100x what it costs them to stream a song, and a record company charging 20x what it cost to press a CD. Free distribution would mean zero money for artists. We started by talking about piracy. By definition, with piracy the artist gets nothing.

Since no one can sustain an artistic career and produce writing or music over a long period without some sort of income, this means either all artists will have to be from the wealthy classes, have other means of support, and simply want to make art as a hobby, or else there has to be a distribution channel with an imposed toll of some kind that ultimately funnels them payment for their work. Whether subscription-based, or charging per-device for copy protected media, that will never be a perfect system, will never be free of piracy, and will always appear to the end consumer as an arbitrary restriction on free information.

I don't think scarcity of paper has been the limiting factor on price since at least the 18th Century. Since there is no scarcity of electrons, I don't view scarcity as a useful paradigm. The prices of locked downloads are simply representing the actual cost and market value of the work, which should be the same whether on the paper or in the aether.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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to, is, su, etc. There are enough TLDs to last a lifetime for a pirate site operator.

well .su is Russia. Not sure how to say this without pissing a lot of people off but it would not surprise me if there were some treaties they signed to cooperate with US LE in the not-so-distant future based on how things are going. Also they can seize the domain for themselves. the .to domain I believe can be seized but I don't know the conditions. .is can be seized but it is rare. The other thing is that treaties…

They would really only take it down if Russian media was on there and they complained in Russian court. That’s why rutracker got in trouble. No local victim = no crime according to Russia and in practice most countries actually. Problem is libgen has lots of Russian stuff.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Fortunately someone had the foresight to make a backup: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32972923 Z-library were in it for commercial gain (you could access a certain number of books but to get more you had to pay for a subscription). They started out as a fork of library genesis, whose mission has always been strictly non-commercial and about providing free access to everyone without limits. Hopefully this will…

Holy shit! Did not see this coming, but glad we saved this collection just in time. (I'm Anna, the one who made the backup). We are working on hosting this collection, as well as saving other large collections. Please consider supporting us, donation details at http://pilimi.org (we'll set up a patreon-like system soon)

The Author's Guild and the Association of American Publishers made some handy lists for people who need Z-Library alternatives!

https://www.regulations.gov/comment/USTR-2022-0010-0024 https://www.regulations.gov/comment/USTR-2022-0010-0015

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Anyone mention Nexus on IPFS: http://k51qzi5uqu5dk9ji4oek1h08rg5ksqc4fjsqtyi43h3z6zuddwpgu... Works just like libgen and is getting larger over time.

Ooh, first time I hear about IPFS, seems pretty peculiar.. definitely going to check it out :D

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Weirdly, I'm OP, and I disagree. Fundamentally, without them, you get more situations like what's going on with Stable Diffusion and Copilot (and perhaps Spotify and Google before them) -- the people who own the machinery end up owning and controlling EVERYTHING, and the creator gets nothing. There's no actual "free market" in the way you're thinking of. Thumbs will always be on scales.

>There's no actual "free market" in the way you're thinking of. Thumbs will always be on scales. I don't follow this argument. Principles can't be replicated perfectly in reality, therefore they don't exist? By that logic, there is no actual "copyright" as some people will be copying material and getting away with it. >the people who own the machinery end up owning and controlling EVERYTHING, and the creator gets not…

I mean, you can't really think about this in a useful way if you don't first grasp "exaggeration for rhetorical effect." It's so odd that I'd have to preface things I say with that. "The people who own the machinery end up with overwhelming power and the creators get very little." Sigh.

Again, for better or worse --without IP, the primary beneficiaries of "creativity" become the distributors. Opposing this is the whole point of copyright, and thus why it should defended in theory and heavily reformed in practice.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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So, does that mean any domain can be seized by a court order ?

Pretty much, modulo jurisdiction of the domain registrar itself.

A quick search turns up some related discussion from the EFF, though not precisely answering your question:

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/if-government-cant-get...>

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Fortunately someone had the foresight to make a backup: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32972923 Z-library were in it for commercial gain (you could access a certain number of books but to get more you had to pay for a subscription). They started out as a fork of library genesis, whose mission has always been strictly non-commercial and about providing free access to everyone without limits. Hopefully this will…

0 seeders on the few torrents I checked though. I mean, can't blame people for not seeding 350GB+ torrents, but still - if there aren't any seeders, what good are the torrents?

[this is not legal advice]

Practically speaking, if you are in the US, you could download stuff from zlib and get away with it - I believe that's not illegal. Hosting on the other hand is.

Using torrents to download is legally also hosting, albeit some random parts of what you are downloading yourself. So to stay legal in the US, you can't really use torrents.

Maybe some enterprising person in Russia or China can become a reseller of hard drives and preload them with chunks of libgen ?

I mean, it's sad that the greatest country on earth has a sneakernet gap with Cuba [1]! ;)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paquete_Semanal

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Arguably, the environmental impact of downloading it is less than driving to the library to check it out.

ok swap out driving there for using libby / overdrive to check out the ebook from the library

Arguably, the carbon footprint of those companies having to exist in the first place…

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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Not even Amazon forces publishers to use it! There are DRM-free Kindle books available. Unfortunately, I don't know of a way to explicitly search for DRM-free titles, but the description for these usually has a sentence like "made available DRM-free at the publisher's request", or is lacking the reference to "use limited to x devices simultaneously".

Comixology as part of their Amazon acquisition just got rid of their old DRM-free offerings: https://twitter.com/comixology/status/1492222215139459072

This is why I not only favor purchasing DRM-free media, but also keep a local archive of all such purchases.

    $ ls /mnt/comixology | wc -l
    239
(This can be a bit difficult for larger‐sized media, such as video games, but I do it anyway—my GOG archive is over two terabytes.)

I also have a small collection of DRM‐free music I had purchased and downloaded from Amazon that no longer seems to be accessible online. Certainly I have no plans to purchase anything digital from them in the future.

Re: ZLibrary domains have been seized by the United States Postal Inspection Service

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> The relationship between physical book checkouts and author/publisher revenue is less direct Indeed. The publisher charges universities etc. a one time lump sum to purchase N copies of a book. The author gets next to nothing. Source: am an author of technical books. Royalties will buy me a few cardboard boxes.

why do we need "publishers" in today's market?is not like you have to have 4 intermediaries to sell on amazon or even digital copies? i'd be more forthcoming to pay $10 for a book that i know 50-70-90% proceeds go to the author than 2-4-5% which the rest take up? publishers, printers, yada yada must've been important to sell books 50 years ago but are they really necessary today?

Self-publishing isn't free, and usually requires guidance from a professional resource to do properly without your book being lost in the chaff. You may get a higher percentage of return, but haven spoken to a fellow community member who has done self-publishing and writing for a major publisher, they commented they would never do self-publishing again.

My books are both in eBook format and paperback. ~400-500 hundred pages in length. The hundreds of hours spent writing the book/taking screenshots, formatting, does not pay off, at least for technical books.

Creating technical books is purely for the notoriety, possibly job prospects, etc., IME. I've had wonderful community feedback which is certainly a self-esteem boost (maybe ego, which isn't necessarily a good thing :)), but it is only going to buy me a few cups of coffee at Starbucks.

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