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Musk’s inner circle worked through weekend to cement Twitter layoff plans

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Post by freejazz »

telotortium wrote: post #397
simonw wrote: post #305

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This is how high quality journalism works. There's actually quite an involved skill to reading and fully understanding this kind of writing - and it's infuriatingly difficult to pick up that skill (I've been developing it by spending time talking to professional journalists, but I'm still not there yet). When you read "another person familiar with the deal who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive…

I could believe you, but unfortunately journalists have trashed their credibility with their turn to "moral clarity" post-Trump. With the effective merger of the opinion and news beats in this era, "another person familiar with the deal who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters" could refer to anybody at all with a grudge against Musk, and we as readers would have no way of knowing which of…

Ah, yes. The secret meeting of the journalists. They use the same room as my secret meeting for all-powerful Jews.

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Post by buscoquadnary »

mikeyouse wrote: post #409
AlexandrB wrote: post #162

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That's only if Twitter can continue to function at the same revenue without those 5000 employees. That remains to be seen.

Saw a note today they're going to layoff a number of "highly compensated" sales people highlighting that they made even more than very senior engineers... which is an interesting plan for a company trying to salvage revenue.

Twitter has salespeople? Like what do they sale? I'm not trying to be facetious I am just ignorant.

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Post by kreeben »

sokoloff wrote: post #408
luckylion wrote: post #163

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Wouldn't you differentiate between workers and executives? Is the CEO a worker if he doesn't own the company? Tying it to the salary makes sense to me. If you get paid minimum wage, asking you to work overtime without additional pay is unjust. You get paid a minimum wage worker's life-time-earnings per year? It's perfectly fine to ask you to come in this weekend for an urgent project.

You can always ask .

"I'm going to _ask_ you to go ahead and come in on Saturday and I'm also going to _ask_ you to go ahead and come in on Sunday and I'm going to keep this stapler."

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Post by drewbeck »

dmix wrote: post #129
drexlspivey wrote: post #44

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Thank god, I stopped clicking twitter links due to this crap

Reddit and Instagram is even worse. Besides cookie boxes (which all have different UIs and rarely a good no button) it's probably the most annoying thing on an ad-blocked internet. How do the designers who work at these tech companies not understand that repeatedly annoying non-user visitors doesn't make them want to sign up? Nor incentivize others to link to it?

Do you have numbers for the claim that this behavior doesn’t incentivize sign up? I’d guess that for most folks it indeed does — at some point you get annoyed enough to go through with the sign up process. These sites never log you out so it’s a one time thing. I personally am not inspired to sign up in these situations but I’d guess the numbers show that I’m in the minority.

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Post by honeybadger1 »

I'm holding off my judgements on the Twitterverse until he has a chance to make real change. I don't particularly care for his attention span being focused on Twitter, I would much rather he focus on SpaceX and Tesla considering how successful his watch has been here.

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Post by mapme »

COGlory wrote: post #186
fzeroracer wrote: post #182

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> Reports that he gave a team until Nov 7th to roll out a paid subscription > None of these things are particularly unreasonable I see you're not an engineer according to your bio. Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that having one work week to roll out a brand new feature is reasonable so I can tell you how completely wrong you are?

The feature was in development for far longer. The real question is, will it exist on Nov. 7th?

This is false.

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Post by jupp0r »

fknorangesite wrote: post #206
jupp0r wrote: post #138

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Nope, this is why there are labor protection laws (some at least in CA).

How do you think those labor protection laws got made in the first place?

Passed by the California legislature and signed into law by the governor like all laws? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Labor_Code#History

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Post by drewbeck »

cercatrova wrote: post #344
beowulfey wrote: post #238

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Employees often depend on prior employers as references and for social connections. It is rare that anyone would actually walk out without notice, as doing so would almost always hurt their careers even if that job was truly shitty (the old adage to “never burn bridges” does apply!). Employers do not experience this same effect. Even if lots of people get laid off from a company without notice, there will almost alwa…

> Employees often depend on prior employers as references Not really. I have not once been asked for references from previous companies.

Ah an individual data point, the crème de la crème of evidence.

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Post by nharada »

saurik wrote: post #283
dirheist wrote: post #274

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Those being laid off for cause are the 3 senior level executives (the old CEO, the lead counsel, and the content policy head). Those 3 had a 100+ million cumulative severance package which they are now no longer eligible to receive, although none of them are strapped for cash.

Elsewhere in this thread, people are discussing a potentially-credible (but maybe you disagree) report on this from Gergely Orosz that does not paint this as "only the 3 senior executives". https://twitter.com/gergelyorosz/status/1587042365084209153?... > I talked with an engineering manager who was at Twitter for 5+ years, and got laid off on Sunday "for cause". They were too exhausted from working over the weekend…

I don't understand why so many people celebrate when Elon treats his underlings like trash. Is it because people hate Twitter and think if you work there you deserve this? Is it because they want to have Elon's level of power and fame where the rules don't apply to them? Something else?

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Post by yupper32 »

caeril wrote: post #202
Ancalagon wrote: post #157

What’s with the contempt for twitter employees in this thread? I really hope Musk doesn’t come for your job next

Because 1. Twitter, the core application, is literally a weekend junior dev project. The only engineers on the payroll who provide actual value, out of THOUSANDS , are those who scale the application and infrastructure. The vast majority of these people have been paid huge comp packages for doing effectively nothing. Sure, there are auxilliary applications like the ad platform, business intelligence, etc, but there i…

Calling their ad platform "auxiliary" when it's their core business is hilarious. You are completely out of your element here.
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