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Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by jcranmer »

systemvoltage wrote: post #413
novok wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an american disease, maybe even californian. Go to many other cities in the rest of the world and they have denser, better cities with none of the literal shit. IMO I would barely call most of the bay a city, just a semi-dense suburb for the most part beyond a few pockets.

There are very specific criminal justice reform and soft-on-crime policies that lead to this. If you go to Tokyo, you'll be put in jail for doing drugs. Most likely extremely tough prison sentence of a decade or more. It prevents people from doing drugs and getting trapped in the spiraling destruction of self. Here in America, we have NYC and SF opening clinics to comfortably allow people to shoot heroine in the comf…

The US has the world's highest incarceration rate (and by some distance--it's about 10% higher than the second highest rate, El Salvador, and 300% higher than the highest rate among the EU countries), and Japan is around the 20th lowest.

This strongly suggests that incarceral policies are not the most effective solution to reducing crime.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by dahfizz »

awillen wrote: post #355
barbariangrunge wrote: post #202

First, this survey seems to be about the last 5 years, which is noteworthy. Also, > a quarter have been threatened or physically attacked That's a much scarier thing. 1/4 people were threatened or attacked in a 5 year period? That's pretty rough

Does being screamed at by a homeless person that they're going to murder you count as being threatened? Actual question... I didn't really think they were seriously going to try to murder me (particularly since these were usually either when I was walking my large dog or in the very crowded FiDi). I live in San Diego now.

This was a regular occurrence for you?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by heavyset_go »

dahfizz wrote: post #434
heavyset_go wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cops really don't give a shit about property crimes that happen to people they don't think matter. They aren't there to protect your stuff, they exist so the Walmarts of the world don't have to spend even more money on security.

Then why is there so much shoplifting?

Cops know they'll get 50%+ of muncipal budgets whether they stop petty crime or not.

The most important function cops serve is enforcing property restrictions. Someone might be able to walk out with $10 of items from a shelf, but they certainly aren't able to seize the business and do what they want with it. That's how SWAT teams show up and shoot you. I doubt Walmart wants to invest in a standing army, tanks, automatic weapons, seige weapons, etc.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by heavyset_go »

whatshisface wrote: post #390
heavyset_go wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they loot a Walgreens when they could loot the payroll? Wage theft is the most common form of theft[1] in the country and it's almost completely unenforced. [1] https://www.epi.org/publication/wage-theft-bigger-problem-fo...

Tech workers can't commit wage theft.

I wouldn't consider tech workers rich, rich people tend to own significant assets, often businesses, and don't have to work.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by coding123 »

itbeho wrote: post #345
diebeforei485 wrote: post #247

If anything would put an end to pro-crime policies, it is more than 50% of the electorate being a victim of crime. This explains the Chesa Boudin recall, and will explain the results of elections in the months and years ahead.

"A conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged." - Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D)

In other words, reality sets in.

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by topaz0 »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #126
ceejayoz wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copaganda also describes true but misleading statements, and includes things like news organizations naïvely taking the cops at their word, shows like CSI and Law & Order, etc. In this case, "Any item stolen from you?" seems to include having an Amazon package stolen off your porch, which happens widely (including to me) here in suburban upstate NY too.

Is someone's stealing something off your porch not stealing? This level of crime used to be something we'd attribute to failed communities and not acceptable for civilized people (those living in cities)

Amazon stole (to the court's knowledge) 8.2 million dollars from its workers and was not penalized. Was there a poll about that too?

Re: Nearly Half of San Franciscans Have Been Victims of Theft, New Poll Says

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Post by jcranmer »

mfkp wrote: post #169
cwal37 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, I think Chicago is certainly more walkable and less car-dependent than SF. Then you have DC, which probably is (substantially more public transit at least) as well, and even cities like Minneapolis which are probably more amenable to walking over a larger area than the actual core, downtown SF area. SF has ok public transit for the west coast I suppose. But overall it’s quite poor compared to the east coast…

Yeah but walking in Chicago in the winter weather?

Honestly, it's not that bad. I find that once I'm properly bundled up, outdoor temps between 20° and 30° are downright comfortable. It's not until about 15° that you get the cold that just seeps in everywhere, and it rarely gets that low in Chicago (at least at any time of day I'd be walking outside).
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