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Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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I wonder how work culture will devolve from this kind of idea.. If I had a company, I'd much rather that my employees generate value, rather than "looking busy" and "working hard"

Those playing that game are usually managers using employees for the "perception" game and office politics/justifying their own position. It's nonsense. My last manager was this type and was a big advocate for everyone returning to office, likely for playing this game.

indeed, but if companies start to require the actually-productive employees to participate in this game, and incentivize them based on that participation, things will look bleak.. might even be difficult squeezing any work in between those long sessions of looking busy.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Way more expensive legal fees though, and a much slower "justice" system. In the Netherlands court, the legal fees were sub 1k, and the decision happened less than 2 months from the filing.

How can the legal fees be less than a thousand dollars? It would take at least a few hours to research the law and write a brief, let alone prepare for court and make an appearance. Even if a lawyer was paid only $150/hr, it seems hard to come in under $1k. Regardless, it would certainly be much more expensive in the US, where decent lawyers are hundreds or thousands an hour.

In the article it says that the (compensation awarded for) legal fees were 585 euros

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Well, I worked on a company with a performance program (I can really remember the exact euphemism), in which all new employees were supposed to take part when joining, and then if marked as low performer go through it again, with a neat addition... random employees were also selected to go through it again just because.

That’s not that terrible idea - it removes some of the stigma and potentially helps ensure the program provides value rather than just being a checkbox on the way to termination.

Maybe, it could be implemented as such, but it was mostly just a drag; it’s not like your workload got reduced because of being in the program, so following all the bullshit without reducing your actual performance would mean at best reduce your time to breath and decompress during work, or at worse, having to do extra time.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this. From what I gather, if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Also, Greece is not staying as away as you may think. First EU country to send military supplies to Ukraine. Supplies were complete junk btw, so you can even call it a lose-lose gesture. Worse, the only external…

> I'm not sure how much of a Germany's war is this It definitely is not Germany's war. Various openly-published American think tank papers openly call for German industry's destruction and outline plans for it. One example went viral recently. > if we had any kind of deal to stop the war tomorrow, they would be more than happy and eager to start discussing (energy) business again. Yep, after the US literally went ahe…

you really should stop spreading misinformation

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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This is an employment action. There is a good chance it pierces the corporate veil. So yes, they can avoid paying, if their directors never want to enter the EU again.

Why would this pierce the veil? That’s a pretty high bar, and I don’t remember learning that employment actions are much more likely to satisfy the requirements.

payment of wages owed to employees frequently pierces the corporate veil.

Re: Dutch employee fired by U.S. firm for shutting off webcam awarded €75K in court

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Why would this pierce the veil? That’s a pretty high bar, and I don’t remember learning that employment actions are much more likely to satisfy the requirements.

payment of wages owed to employees frequently pierces the corporate veil.

Sure, if the employee being paid is an owner of the company.

But in this case, I can't imagine how it would be relevant. Perhaps you know more about Dutch law and piercing the corporate veil, but my training as a US lawyer has me scratching my head on this one.

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