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It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by rawling »

jstarfish wrote: post #11
8jy89hui wrote: post #2

Does anyone have any insight into why Microsoft thought this was necessary? Minecraft has been server-moderated for years now and has been wildly successful. I've never heard of any hate groups or even hateful servers (I'm sure they exist, but they don't make the news in a way that would harm Microsoft). Is there some legislation that would make it a liability for Microsoft to not moderate all the chat? This move jus…

I don't know The Reason (probably child exploitation), but it's telling that within the first few comments people are discussing how to abuse the system to get Minecraft YouTubers deplatformed. The haters are in plain sight.

> haters

...in the context of "the only way to get Microsoft to roll this back is to show how abusable it is".

> Actually, fun project. The sooner it's done, the more likely it will result in this getting pulled back:

> 1) Identify a popular Minecraft YouTuber's UUID > 2) Make a report JSON object absolutely filled with gamer words > 3) Be sure to mention multiple times that "I have the no reports plugin so you can't report me" > 4) Join as many accounts as you have to a private server > 5) Sign and submit the report JSON as each of those accounts

> Famous people losing their accounts will work.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by marcus_holmes »

axxto wrote: post #391
marcus_holmes wrote: post #388

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Google Docs/Drive is well-known for deleting user-written documents that they don't like, so nothing new here.

Do you have a source for this? Just curious.

there was a ton of stories a few years ago about Google Drive deleting sex workers' documents.

HN thread on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16668267

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by axxto »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #462
axxto wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for this? Just curious.

there was a ton of stories a few years ago about Google Drive deleting sex workers' documents. HN thread on it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16668267

Thanks.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by zbird »

Cr4shMyCar wrote: post #184
ckemere wrote: post #123

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We've done limited server play with friends. As far as I understand, anyone can download and run the server software (literally - it's a free download). To log into a server, you need the IP address (and need to understand how to port forward if going outside the home etc etc). P I think my broader point is that I appreciate Microsoft saying they want Minecraft to be a profanity -free zone. There are plenty in the "o…

From what Microsoft's said, it's less about profanity and more about taking down things like serious threats, doxxing/stalking, etc. I have no issue with moderating that, and I'm glad it's (at least in theory) not being used as a filter to keep everything that happens in Minecraft G-rated since a lot of more mature people play it. I think implementing a game-wide ban on a community that's spread across thousands of i…

I see, I imagine the server you put on is by default public and joinable by anyone. This kind of stuff typically has some form of whitelisting or password protection to keep the server semi-private.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by h0l0cube »

astrange wrote: post #440
h0l0cube wrote: post #139

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No large social platform will spend a dime more on moderation than they are compelled to by law.

US platforms aren't required to do any moderation, but they still do it. You wouldn't be able to use a service with no moderation, it'd be all spam.

Do you believe there’d be no legal ramifications if they stopped moderation all together? Civil lawsuits? Class actions?

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by neighbour »

userbinator wrote: post #178
babypuncher wrote: post #129

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At first I found it frustrtating, but I've grown to really appreciate Nintendo's approach to this problem. Their multiplayer games (like Splatoon) have no in-game chat or VOIP. It definitely makes it harder to make friends in the games, but it also completely eliminates any and all potential for toxicity and other miscreant behavior. As a result, I'd have no problem letting my hypothetical children play these games o…

no in-game chat or VOIP. Have people found creative ways to communicate, or solicit/"bootstrap" further communications? If you can send someone a bit, you have enough to send them your endpoint at another service to communicate. In a multiplayer game, where presumably you can see the decisions of other players, the prerequisites are met. (I am by no means a gamer, but have witnessed how creative young humans can be a…

>Have people found creative ways to communicate, or solicit/"bootstrap" further communications?

In Splatoon you can "post" [1] which displays this image above your character in the lobby and the main hub of the game. Most of the time people will draw using the in-game interface and the touch screen/buttons on the switch, other times people use a well known exploit to recreate images from your computer in the game using a specific type of controller [2].

After the post is created, it typically gets published to some social media account you have linked to your Nintendo account.

These posts are usually jokes, memes, or some silly throwaway pop culture line or reference but more often than not you see individuals promoting their own discord servers, twitter accounts, twitch accounts, and other social media platforms. Unfortunately you also get a few individuals who will post about LGBT related stuff, often with a sexual angle to it. No issues posting that on Twitter but I feel it's inappropriate for what is essentially a game for children.

The good news is you can report these posts to Nintendo, the bad news is I have no idea if they are moderated or not.

[1] https://thenerdstash.com/how-to-draw-art-posts-in-splatoon-3...

[2] https://github.com/WyseNynja/Splatoon-2-Drawing/blob/master/...

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by kaybe »

philippejara wrote: post #390
bmacho wrote: post #345

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I believe Microsoft bought that "I will release the game source code as some kind of open source." promise as well. This is how things work, right?

Is that even relevant when not given any timeframe? I can and did believe Notch back when he said it, I don't think he was trying to be misleading, but with no timeframe and the game being the size that it is now microsoft might as well release the source code, yes, 500 years from now.

Can we please get some sort of code escrow system going, similar to how the national libraries collect all published works in a country? Video games are culture too.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by fennecfoxy »

ckemere wrote: post #94

It's apparently a minority voice opinion here on HN, but I for one appreciate what Microsoft is trying to do. As a parent of a 6 and 9 year old who have really gotten into Minecraft during COVID, I appreciate them basically deciding "We want Minecraft to be a game for kids and an online community that is nice." I get why people are frustrated, but I also like the idea of a global decision that forces servers open to…

I feel ya, but at the same time access to an online game is almost equivalent to unfettered access to the Internet these days.

Even with Microsoft's watchful eye, it still won't solve all the problems. Roblox was already poorly moderated. Club Penguin was meant to be well moderated with all sorts of mechanisms to ensure child safety but it was still used as a hangout for all sorts of adults as well.

Realistically there's no solution that will 100% solve the stranger danger that comes with access to the Internet. The only way is for parents to take on the responsibility - have children play on a server that only them and their friends have access to. Any Internet server that randoms can join will always come with a risk and it's up to parents to quantify that risk.

Re: It seems that the good times for online Minecraft play are over

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Post by polski-g »

h0l0cube wrote: post #466
astrange wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US platforms aren't required to do any moderation, but they still do it. You wouldn't be able to use a service with no moderation, it'd be all spam.

Do you believe there’d be no legal ramifications if they stopped moderation all together? Civil lawsuits? Class actions?

That is how the internet functioned for the past 35 years.
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