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Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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For anyone looking for heroku alternative with free offer (not all free, some have free offer)

Alternative for Heroku Runtime (server) https://finddev.tools/alternative-to/heroku-runtime

Alternative for Heroku Postgres (database) https://finddev.tools/alternative-to/heroku-postgres

Or here in general with "what's free" information: https://freestuff.dev/alternative/heroku/

Hope it helps for someone who wants to start side project!

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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I’m finding it interesting that THIS is the reason that people are now determined to move, rather than the constant outages/issues they’ve had over the last 6 months.

Nothing about this is remotely surprising. Over the last 12 months their reliability has nose dived and their support has become borderline useless.

We’re planning on migrating to Fargate in the next 6 months. I am VERY much looking forward to shutting our Heroku account down.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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i belatedly came to this realization that this is a common problem for all hosting (CDNs, because free bandwidth, and CI/CD, because free compute, and anything that offers free storage) companies. I call this the PCN problem - free tier hosting for anything means you eventually have to deal with Porn, Crypto, Nazis. everyone handrolls prevention measures, i once proposed an industry council where we swap tips, but ev…

Only recently learned that crypto jerks will try to abuse free compute during the build step for hosting services

They injected miners in websites and even free CI pipelines on GitHub and similar.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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> It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. Absolutely, piracy forums have guides to fake being a student to get an unlimited account, then mirror huge (1TB+) gdrives full of pirated content to your own. This was (is?) happening on a huge scale.

What prevents adults from sharing movies from their GDrive, is the consciousness that Google might revoke this account, the backup account and all of your identity for life. Unfortunately, if you did this to youngsters, they’re too young to have read enough horror stories.

No, young kids use google for nothing other than search, and they are getting off that too. I'm more and more hearing 'search' or 'look up' instead of 'google' as a verb.

My kid's circles of friends consider email to be like snail mail/phone calls- nothing but spam.

I warned them about g-products for years while they were growing up, but I needn't have worried- they see g/fb/insta/snap et al for the garbage it is.

Most of them use telegram or whatsap for communication.

Kids im speaking of are 15/17 (both girls). My youngest(boy) at 12 is more worried about football.

They use plex or whatever for sharing. They schooled me hard.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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We pay Heroku many, many tens of thousands of dollars a year. And I still use free dynos, both personally and at work. For example, throwing up a quick app for testing (where I'm happy with dynos that sleep or are limited per-repo). By pushing us off the Heroku ecosystem for some stuff, we might as well just move everything. The only reason we even use Heroku now is because I used it for free over a decade ago. I get…

When I looked at Heroku pricing way back when, I immediately had a "WOW that's expensive" reaction.

I look at it now, and...well, I'm all-in on k8s for most things, and cloud functions for most everything else, so I'm really not sure what the advantage of using Heroku would ever be if it they don't have a free plan.

For free databases there are multiple options like CockroachDB and Supabase; throw up a $6/month droplet at DigitalOcean and you get the equivalent of a $50/month dyno at Heroku. Yes it's easier to deploy to Heroku, but it's only a couple hours to set up some kind of CI/CD deploy, and then you can control it more precisely.

Heroku has basically been a "first one is free, but as soon as the business gets big, soak them" company from the start. Given the number of companies offering free levels of cloud functions and hosting, I think that's where most new experimental development will migrate to in the future.

I sympathize with them for giving up in the fight against abuse of their free services, but ... well, I think they're likely to transition to irrelevance if they don't pivot or slash prices soon.

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Fly.io has a dedicated process for moving off of Heroku. Auth via Heroku and they'll launch your app onto Fly. They also have a free tier. The process: https://fly.io/launch/heroku The docs: https://fly.io/docs/app-guides/speed-up-a-heroku-app I haven't used it [the Heroku -> Fly process] myself, but it's been around for quite some time!

Please let me know in the replies what you'd like to see at Fly that would make it as good, if not better, than Heroku. I recently started working at Fly to focus on making Rails & Ruby app deployments awesome, and of course Heroku set that benchmark almost a decade ago. I can't promise I'll get to everything, but I can promise that it will help me better prioritize what I should be focusing on to make Fly better for…

I recently migrated a few systems to Fly

- volume snapshot downloads (S3 or otherwise)

- built in log drain rather than needing to deploy fly-log-shipper

- customizable Prometheus alert rules. As is to get alerting using the fly-metrics.net “free” Prometheus we need to deploy a copy of Prometheus and federate scrape back, which seems like an anti pattern.

- review environments (eg PR scope deployments) would be ideal but I could see if that’s out of scope for Fly

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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> Open source programs: If you are a maintainer on an open-source project, and would like to request Heroku support for your project, contact the Salesforce Open Source Program office at ospo-heroku-credits@salesforce.com. Both the text version of this email (ospo-heroku-credits@salesforce.com) and the mailto it actually links (ospo@salesforce.com) appear to be invalid. I tried both and got: > We're writing to let yo…

This should be fixed now... FTR: The correct address is ospo-heroku-credits@salesforce.com

Thank you!

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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Once dokku is installed, the deployment method is `git push dokku master` And how is that any more modern than heroku?

Did Heroku use containers? I seem to remember it didn't since back in the day.

Heroku implemented their own container system and expose it to end users as a "Dyno".

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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This is a sad day. Pricing changes are always hard, and having been through some of the earlier pricing changes at Heroku you can't make everyone happy. But, so many developers deployed their first app on Heroku and was a staple for so many bootcamps. Without it I'm confident we'd have less developers in the world. It is still one of the gold standards for developer experience. Years after its heyday companies and to…

It's worth mentioning there's a very vibrant piracy community that abuses heroku's free tier for torrent to direct-download bots and myriad other purposes. Thousands and thousands of fake accounts using the resources to their limits 24/7. It's likely also the reason Google's moved away from unlimited storage for educational institutions. I can understand why Salesforce has felt the need to restrict access.

its a shame they didn't move to having a CC linked to the account, and keeping the free dyno tier

Re: Removal of Heroku free product plans

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What prevents adults from sharing movies from their GDrive, is the consciousness that Google might revoke this account, the backup account and all of your identity for life. Unfortunately, if you did this to youngsters, they’re too young to have read enough horror stories.

No, young kids use google for nothing other than search, and they are getting off that too. I'm more and more hearing 'search' or 'look up' instead of 'google' as a verb. My kid's circles of friends consider email to be like snail mail/phone calls- nothing but spam. I warned them about g-products for years while they were growing up, but I needn't have worried- they see g/fb/insta/snap et al for the garbage it is. Mo…

Do they still use WhatsApp despite it being owned by Facebook?
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