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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by greyhair »

agileAlligator wrote: post #362
watwut wrote: post #340

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How is over 100 friends minimal?

The average person has about 150 people they care about. 100 friends is par for the course imo

At the time I deleted my Facebook account, I had a total of twenty friends. And all of them were people from where I moved away from, or people that moved away from me.

Family, and local friends, I did not friend on Facebook, because I was going to see you anyway.

My mom asked why I wouldn't 'friend' her, and I responded that I talked to her on the phone for 60-90 minutes every single weekend. Without fail. Plus, I used to snail mail her printed photos on a regular basis.

When she died, I found two boxes crammed with every photo I ever sent her.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by cwkoss »

dont__panic wrote: post #428
stingraycharles wrote: post #306

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Yeah I was also surprised at that comment, TikTok has significantly less ads than FB/IG, so I don’t understand why it’s being criticized for that.

I suspect there's a lot more subversive ad content on TikTok -- influencers who are paid or gifted by advertisers to namedrop or show a product in a post that TikTok recommends to millions. The "ad" label feels inherently dirty, and people tend to tune out. But if an influencer sips a coke in a video, without even an explicit mention of the brand, I'm sure a lot of people start craving coke.

I'm sure subversive ads happen, but in my experience people are pretty straightforward about marking posts as paid.

Then, there's also a lot of small and medium sized manufacturers/artists where their whole channel is showing off their stuff. Kind of ad-like, but quality tends to be good and it doesn't feel sneaky like subtle product placement. Ex. there's a chinese factory that manufactures polycarbonate dome houses, they'll post montages of their domes, nicely decorated in beautiful locations. I think the product is cool, so I intentionally follow and consume their 'ad' content.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by mulmen »

procombo wrote: post #458
mulmen wrote: post #451

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I’ll keep saying it. Nobody has a right to an audience. Ignoring something isn’t censorship.

Shouldn't I get to decide what I ignore?

Again, ignoring and censoring aren't the same thing.

Part of the reason I come to HN is that I know there are entire classes of content and ideas that I will not be exposed to at all so I don't have to waste brain cycles on sorting them.

Similarly I use a spam filter on my email.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by procombo »

mulmen wrote: post #463
procombo wrote: post #458

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Shouldn't I get to decide what I ignore?

Again, ignoring and censoring aren't the same thing. Part of the reason I come to HN is that I know there are entire classes of content and ideas that I will not be exposed to at all so I don't have to waste brain cycles on sorting them. Similarly I use a spam filter on my email.

If I wanted to provide a similar experience, targeting a different narrative, and then worked to create my own safe platform, would you disagree with that?

"Ignoring" is just choice. And that concept can either promote or extinguish fair and free communication.

I assume you and I share similar political beliefs. Call it censorship, or call it "choice", it ia clear today not all people have fair and free access.

If the government uses its power to extinguish speech (or to burden channels through unfair promotion of counter ideas), then that is censorship. And that is a problem we should all want to fix.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by [deleted] »

procombo wrote: post #464
mulmen wrote: post #463

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Again, ignoring and censoring aren't the same thing. Part of the reason I come to HN is that I know there are entire classes of content and ideas that I will not be exposed to at all so I don't have to waste brain cycles on sorting them. Similarly I use a spam filter on my email.

If I wanted to provide a similar experience, targeting a different narrative, and then worked to create my own safe platform, would you disagree with that? "Ignoring" is just choice. And that concept can either promote or extinguish fair and free communication. I assume you and I share similar political beliefs. Call it censorship, or call it "choice", it ia clear today not all people have fair and free access. If th…

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Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by dcow »

midoridensha wrote: post #240
dcow wrote: post #227

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Personally I've just stopped using social media because there's no reason to have the type of reach it gives you unless you're, well, advertising (whether that's yourself and/or personal brand, a product, a political position, etc.). However, even though rare, every once in a few years I really do need to reach out to someone I don't regularly talk to digitally or get in touch with someone I was much more connected t…

>I think there's truly a place for a hyper pared down "global phone book" type of application. We have this: Facebook. At least that's what I use it for. I keep a list of most of my friends there, and use it to chat with many of them, including video chat. I don't post anything, ever, and almost never look at anyone else's posts. It's just a glorified "friend phone book and chat app".

Sure, that's how I use it too. I'm saying it would be nice to have an application that's just that without all the other abusive BS. I think everyone could get onboard that train. Right now FB doesn't fully work because a non-trivial portion of people I know refuse to use FB anymore. That's great! But something needs to fill the "global phonebook" void. I'd pay $3 a month to have my name in a global phonebook and in return get access to one with the sole feature of being able to make my own list and govern who is allowed to see certain fields. Maybe I should just put my details in DNS...

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by ryangibb »

awa wrote: post #341
jacooper wrote: post #131

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She can use custom apps for YouTube like Newpipe, which offer YouTube experiences without ads and Shorts.

I hadn't heard of newpipe before so just installed it and found that it had much more intrusive ads than regular YouTube.

I had the same experience, but hopping over to F-Droid from the Play Store provided a different NewPipe (instead of 'Newpipe') that I believe is the pertinent one.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by blocko »

cwkoss wrote: post #199
dont__panic wrote: post #17

> [TikTok]'s addiction-based advertising machine is probably close to the theoretical maximum of how many advertisements one can pour down somebody’s throat. Well put. It's interesting that we pivoted in my adult lifetime from: 1. Myspace's emphasis on sharing things on your own webpage, essentially a hosted blog 2. Facebook's evolution from "hosted blog" to "friend update aggregator" to "chat client" to "friend upda…

Seems like Tiktok has far fewer ads than other social media platforms. Less than 10% of things are ads. Instagram is like 30+% ads for me.

I've seen people claim that they show a variable amount of ads depending on the user, which I imagine would be based on your clickthrough rate or other metrics. The ratio between ads and content also seems to vary over time for me so I feel there's some form of optimization happening

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by sweetbitter »

theshrike79 wrote: post #331
f1refly wrote: post #46

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Both telegram and discord need phone numbers though - telegram upfront and discord after your used it for about ten mimutes.

Telegram uses phone numbers just as UIDs, they're not shared to anyone without your permission. As for Discord, I've got a few accounts and have been asked for telephone numbers 0 times. It's only needed when a specific server demands it, haven't seen any yet.

If discord has too few selectors (IP, email, browser fingerprint, useragent, behavior) to identify you from or they are too generic, they will demand that you use a phone number. Low-reputation IP addresses do this especially, you'll be locked right out of an account for using one. I'd rather be able to just pay them money for an account than have to go use a VPS or residential proxy in order to avoid the phone requirement.

Re: Is this the end of social networking?

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Post by paganel »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #384
paganel wrote: post #358

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To add to that, stating the fact that one of the tech titans of today, Bill Gates, was in cahoots with a convicted pedophile is either met with "this is just hearsay!" or "you're jumping to conclusions", when it's not ignored and down-voted altogether. Even more important (not that many of us receiving our wages and dividends from probably pedophiles isn't important), the strong connection between Silicon Valley of d…

> the strong connection between Silicon Valley of days past, and, most importantly, from today, with the Military and Security Complex is also shunned. Whole valley at one time was off limits to anyone from the Soviet Block.

And of course that The Economist just published this article in their latest issue: "After a long break-up, Silicon Valley and the military-industrial complex are getting back together" [1] . Maybe I should submit it as a dedicated post.

[1] https://www.economist.com/business/2022/08/08/can-tech-resha...

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