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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

lukeschlather wrote: post #456
fiddlerwoaroof wrote: post #445

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This is interesting: over the last several months, a friend has been running NixOS on a Framework and has been told by Framework employees that they can’t help him with Linux kernel issues because he’s using an unsupported OS and he’s also had lots of complaints about battery life and power management. I love the idea of the Framework, but it seems to suffer from all the issues that made me switch to MacBooks in the…

doyougnu was previously running NixOS on a Macbook so their bar for "working" is probably much lower than a normal person's. I'm on Windows, but if a Linux could give me reliable power management I would switch in a heartbeat. I don't know what it would take to have sensible power management on Linux without major issues.

Try Pop OS.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by 908B64B197 »

pimterry wrote: post #164
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer any questions around this! We've been working on this since update since we launched the product last year, so we're excited to be able to share it today.

What are the constraints that are blocking wider EU availability? Right now, in Europe it's only available in a handful of countries (5 of 27). I'm in Spain, and I see I can spec a perfect machine and get it delivered just over the border in France, but I can't get the same thing delivered here just a couple of hours away, which is very surprising! My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should mak…

> My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should make going from 1 to N EU countries pretty easy.

Sadly, every country insist on doing everything else his own special snowflake way. There would have to be a lot more harmonization for it to be that easy.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by SemanticStrengh »

When will you support a 2K (ideally) (or 4K) OLED panel? I'm a software developer and I'm not going back to the blurry text era and the non-contrasting movie/games era. Also come on you need thunderbolt support, egpu is a key advantage in 2022. So I appreciate the concept but currently you are not enough for my needs.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by stakkur »

I like the concept of this laptop. I really want to like the laptop itself, enough to buy one.

But for me, it always comes down to the experience of the user interface--the keyboard, trackpad, and screen. And that always brings me back to Macbooks and ThinkPads. I'm a Linux fan, but 'ability to run a specific OS' is not even in my top three must have features.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by Eduard »

torginus wrote: post #403
victor9000 wrote: post #313

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A few weeks ago I spilled an entire cup of sugary espresso on my framework laptop which completely ruined my keyboard by making it a sticky mess. You know what I did? I ordered a replacement keyboard kit for $99, installed it in ~5 minutes, and I haven't thought about it since. Some other part will fail in the future, or I'll spill another cup of coffee, and when that happens all I need to worry about is swapping out…

Can't you do the same thing with a Thinkpad?

(Putting aside that Thinkpad is a specific brand, whereas keyboard replacability is generally device-specific)

Framework keyboard replacement guide: https://guides.frame.work/Guide/Keyboard+Replacement+Guide/8...

ThinkPad T470s keyboard replacement guide: https://support.lenovo.com/de/en/solutions/pd104683-removal-...

That Thinkpad model's keyboard replacement steps look way easier than Framework's.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by R0b0t1 »

loudmax wrote: post #460
lukeschlather wrote: post #456

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doyougnu was previously running NixOS on a Macbook so their bar for "working" is probably much lower than a normal person's. I'm on Windows, but if a Linux could give me reliable power management I would switch in a heartbeat. I don't know what it would take to have sensible power management on Linux without major issues.

I get six to eight hours on my Thinkpad, running Arch Linux. This did not happen out of the box. I think I got like two hours of battery life before I began tuning parameters. As usual, the Arch wiki is an excellent resource even if you're running a different distro: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management

That's impressive. I've done the equivalent of tuning everything and still wound up with battery lifetime half of what it should be on Windows.

There's also specific programs that are really bad. Edge used to add 2-4 hours extra battery life when using my Surface to read PDFs. If I used Firefox, it was shorter by a very noticeable amount.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by duairc »

jefurii wrote: post #323
boppo1 wrote: post #156

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Any chance you'll eventually have a Framework with a 'clickier' keyboard and a trackpoint like the x220? I will happily buy your product the next time my x220 dies (instead of upgrading it) if it has the nice clicky keyboard and a trackpoint. A slightly thicker laptop is very much a fair trade-off.

I'd totally buy a Framework mainboard if I could squeeze it into my old x220 case.

Check out XY Tech who build and distribute modified ThinkPads. Xue Yao, the person behind it, intends to build a motherboard that will fit into an X220 case soon, possibly this year.

I bought an "X2100" (a ThinkPad X200 with a 10th-gen Intel CPU) from him in 2020 and it's been fantastic.

https://xyte.ch

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by hgomersall »

Melatonic wrote: post #384
NikolaNovak wrote: post #298

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Same. Everytime I get excited about Framework, Syste7m6, etc... and then get sad. I fully understand I'm a vanishing minority, But trackpoint is such a productivity booster for me, and makes such amazing use of space in a laptop format, that it's a must-have (and again, I fully understand that those who don't use Trackpoint will have no comprehension of what am I going on about; I'm a grouchy quirky old man :). Then…

Trackpoint really is damn nice. I also find it hilarious when I disable the trackpad in the bios to avoid any accidental brushes and then someone else tries to use my laptop - its like watching a deer try to walk for the first time!

Same here, though I have a key combination (ctrl-space) to toggle the trackpad.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Post by hgomersall »

innocenat wrote: post #333
sryie wrote: post #286

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Is there a way to middle click with this method? I use that often for new tabs and ThinkPads have the physical button at the top and tap to click is just three fingers.

If it's only for open in new tab, then Ctrl+Left Click work as well when using trackpad.

Pasting from the primary buffer is surely the main use case for middle click?
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