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Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Perhaps the word “tool” was misplaced. For something like a hammer that you can buy once and then just use, the manufacturer's corporate personality isn't really relevant, yeah. But for goods and services where you're (perhaps tacitly) entering an ongoing relationship with the manufacturer — like software, which requires maintenance — the company's reputation is important, and it reflects on the values of the consume…

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Yeah, each person is going to choose where the line is for themself.

Activists will whinge loudly on Twitter because that's the only effective influence they have (because it turns out consumerism doesn't actually produce rich consumer choice; rather, it cements already-rich companies — who'dathunkit?)

If you're running a company, and your newly-promoted executive is actively making political donations in support of a campaign that you know a reasonable number of people consider morally reprehensible (whether you agree with those people or not), then you can expect to see an impact on your company's reputation, and you get to decide how to respond.

You (the hypothetical person running a company) may believe that it shouldn't matter, and that's fair enough, but unless your customers already agree with you on that point, then you're going to have to persuade them.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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I switched to Brave - no regrets

You don't regret supporting a guy who wants to ban same sex marriage and pushes covid misinfo?

Does he use the browser for that? If not, how is it relevant?

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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I can. I'd still rather use Firefox than Chrome or Edge when it comes to privacy. "Firefox is dead ... Time to bury the putrid, rotting corpse" is ridiculously dramatic.

What about Vivaldi or Brave?

I like the idea of Vivaldi and honestly probably would use it, but I've been using Firefox as my primary browser for the last 7 years or so and just don't have a reason to switch.

I also think competition is good and am concerned if Blink became the only browser engine.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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What're the alternatives to Firefox? The only ones that come to mind are Opera and Brave, and Brave had some controversy too.

I see Vivaldi is good browser, operated by former opera people

Yes, I'm in Vivaldi as well. For now! We need to avoid making software/product choices part of our identity.

A true firefox fan would've raised the alarm years ago, and voted with their feet when it kept moving in the wrong direction and stopped being the best option on the market.

Loving a brand no matter what they do is suboptimal.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

#466

No tracking codes will be used if the user has DNT set, which is most people who care about not being tracked.

> DNT set, which is most people who care about not being tracked.

No, anyone who actually cares about not being tracked is not going to set a header that in practice is almost exclusively used to better track you.

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

#467

Zero telemetry is the only way to go for a modern browser with a sense of decency for the web and the users. I invite everyone on a Mac to try and support Orion browser - zero telemetry by default.

Forgot to disclose your affiliation this time. This is embarrassing, by the way: > So forget user agent/screen resolution/OS masking and other marketing talk used by browsers - this was maybe a thing 15 years ago, if ever. This does not protect you against sophisticated fingerprinters on the web. > The only efficient protection against fingerprinting is what Orion is doing - preventing fingerprinter from running in t…

> Forgot to disclose your affiliation this time.

I feel I did it many times so that it is clear. Also I used "I invite you..." phrase.

> This is embarrassing, by the way:

Care to explain why you think so?

Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Yeah, each person is going to choose where the line is for themself. Activists will whinge loudly on Twitter because that's the only effective influence they have (because it turns out consumerism doesn't actually produce rich consumer choice; rather, it cements already-rich companies — who'dathunkit?) If you're running a company, and your newly-promoted executive is actively making political donations in support of…

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Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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> Maybe he didn't have the same values employees had about LGBT, but fuck this This tactic will only work if Mozilla doesn't want to bring queer people along with them — an open web for _most_ people, but some people aren't welcome to join in. Making tools and services for public use is always political, and by tacitly endorsing discrimination against queer people, Mozilla would have been taking a stance that would h…

Is there any case of a company that went through those steps and it was well received by the public? Because I'm under the impression the people who were asking for Brendan's head are the ones who believe a CEO's personal political position would always reflect on his company. Mozilla just trying to say it does not wouldn't be enough.

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Re: Each Firefox download has a unique identifier

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Is there any case of a company that went through those steps and it was well received by the public? Because I'm under the impression the people who were asking for Brendan's head are the ones who believe a CEO's personal political position would always reflect on his company. Mozilla just trying to say it does not wouldn't be enough.

Consider why some people were “asking for Brendan's head”. Yeah, some of them will have thought “he's one of the bad ones; good riddance and I hope he loses”, and they're not likely to be persuaded. But some people will have been scared . Civil rights are not a done deal; this was the prospect of someone who's campaigning against civil rights, in a position of authority for a project you care deeply about and believe…

The only person whose civil rights were violated in that situation was Brendan.
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