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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by bostik » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 8:29 AM UTC

matheusmoreira wrote: post #441

bostik wrote: post #88

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I don't think we need to kill copyright, but we sure as hell need to control how it's used. To start with, we need to spay and neuter the out of control copyright enforcers, and especially every form of copyfraud. My previous take on the subject: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22488496

I don't entirely disagree with you. I think copyright is insane but it could certainly be made tolerable enough. Most importantly, it needs to have reasonable duration. 5 years is more than enough time for these creators to make their money several times over. I don't think these copyright holders would ever accept anything that reduced their monopoly power though.

I think 5 years is too short. It assumes the creation[tm] will work out of the box and get immediate momentum. Whereas for music and literature it may well take a decade before the thing bubbles up to someone's consciousness.

I'd say 20-25 years from first publication would be a good time window. If your creation has not become worth anything in that time, it wasn't timely or of real interest. On the other hand, if a creation[tm] does become part of cultural background, 25 years is more than enough to reap the benefits. And at the end of the term, if something is part of the cultural scenery, it needs to be in public domain no matter what.

What a window like that would ensure is that creators can earn royalties over time, but it would prevent the inter-generational rent seeking dynasties. Copyright is supposed to encourage creation, by handing over a strictly temporary monopoly, but also guaranteeing that the monopoly remains short enough to enable culture to evolve.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by ryosuke97 » Thu, Jan 27, 2022, 7:22 PM UTC

OneLeggedCat wrote: post #357

Barrin92 wrote: post #274

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At the scale at which Google operates, even if they fixed it within a minute it probably takes some time to test and roll these things out. Sometimes I wonder if people think that infrastructure for billions of people is some sort of magic where you push the fix button and magically everything's solved across the globe.

I'd have more sympathy if it weren't "A review cannot be requested for this restriction." It's designed to be as brutal and draconian as possible. They chose this. It is guilty until proven innocent, with no recourse. Sometimes I wonder if people will excuse anything Google does that hurts people and assume it is some sort of magic to not choose to do that.

Nah, it's just "you're guilty, the end."

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by IYasha » Fri, Jan 28, 2022, 8:25 AM UTC

jodrellblank wrote: post #449

slig wrote: post #438

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People will think twice before using GCP. I know I'm.

But why didn't you do that all the previous times? - 13 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=350968 " On friday I woke up to find my google account had been disabled. No gmail, no adsense,adwords,webmaster tools,blog etc etc. No reason given. I've filled out the forms, got an automated response which is totally irrelevant " - 10 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013799 and it was happening o…

Happened to me a few times, lost all mail accounts (I didn't have too many) because I cannot login from old ISP IP (it probably doesn't even exist anymore). People don't realize what dystopia they're signing into until it's too late ( Android forces people to create G-accounts without real need, that's why their user base is growing. (

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by C19is20 » Sat, Jan 29, 2022, 7:09 AM UTC

bonzini wrote: post #398

C19is20 wrote: post #227

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Italy: https://ilmiocf.it lets you generate your equivalent of an ssn (fiscal code). And, yes...if you know someone's very basic details you have the number. For US viewers, enter 'stati uniti' as 'comune di nascita'. Use deepl.com for the bit at the bottom.

Why is it always Italians shitting on the country without knowing what they're talking about? This is absolutely not comparable. You can't ruin someone's life if you have their codice fiscale (source: am Italian). Most countries do have some kind of id number like that, but they always have a "password" too. In Italy authentication is done by the SPID providers[1] or with an electronic id card (or physically with an…

Read again "Italy: https://ilmiocf.it lets you generate your equivalent of an ssn (fiscal code). And, yes...if you know someone's very basic details you have the number."

I did not say you can "ruin someone's life" with it. I very clearly wrote "if you know someone's very basic details you have the number". No more, no less.

If I knew the details of Milano Bonzini, born in Milano on 10/10/2010 then this is (probably) their codice: BNZMLN10R10F205U.

I thought the site would be __fun__ for foreigners (US, but not only) on HN, maybe if they have Italian heritage, they can work out nonna's number.

The "stampa codice a barre", is equally fun and I know several visitors that have printed it out to go with their holiday memories.