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President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by fallingknife »

Larrikin wrote: post #436
dmix wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It also sounds like they’d need proof they colluded with a foreign entity which is a very high bar.

Even a public university can decide what they want to do when it comes to punishment for students they admit. You aren't owed an explanation no matter how much you pretend on the internet to care.

A public university has to respect the constitutional rights of it's students though. So there would be very strong legal protection for pro China students.

Edit: actually not sure if they are foreign nationals. Maybe someone knows if same applies?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by kiba »

montblanc wrote: post #396
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Not everything is measured by economic success. Liberal democracy is a value in of itself not just for financial gain. Could be that the Chinese system is better economically, who knows. But to me it sounds very alien to live there - I wouldn't want to. They don't align with most of my values. Now, present America which is fast becoming eaten by radicals may also become not aligned with my values at some point (at th…

It's hard to know if the information we get out of China is reasonably accurate, for a given value of 'reasonably accurate'.

It seems that the Chinese has problem with rampant cheating by both authorities and corporations, leading to many projects that seems impressive at first but are of questionable quality.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by shuger »

outside1234 wrote: post #441
vesinisa wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't help seeing the irony that the censored document is a declaration by the publisher about how strongly they are committed to freedom of expression in international context.. CORRECTION: As other have pointed out, the publisher is actually the student newspaper, which is independent from Purdue University itself.

Also, they don't have the money to comply with the EU's GDPR from a legal requirement, so this is really a result of the EU's laws.

If you don't collect data on the visitors you don't need to do anything to comply.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by wavefunction »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

As you've described yourself, you're more of a shallow cliche of Americans and one that doesn't necessarily reflect well on the rest of us. You're as real an American as the rest of us, and no more.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by sschueller »

georgeecollins wrote: post #419
sschueller wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

This is what-about-ism. I am surprised you didn't mention that we are less free to smoke in public places! Here's the thing: Laws about where you can smoke and drink vary from place to place in the US but in every part of them you are free to complain about them. The laws were passed by elected officials. You can start a petition to change them. You can run for mayor on the platform of changing the rules about where…

I personally feel that the term "what-about-ism" is excessively used to down play the wrongs of a other party. Especially when that other party is pretending to be at a higher moral ground than the one they are critical about. One should not make things OK because someone else does it but one should point out the wrongs another party is engaged in especially if it is hypocritical.

In this case however I didn't say what about, I did suggest an alternative to Ops comment which in itself may have been what about ism.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by ajmurmann »

chernevik wrote: post #426
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

He can't immediately announce punishment without violation of due process. The perpetrators may be known, but even so that has to be formally established before the school can do anything about them. It's unfortunate that there isn't a greater response from the student body in defense of free speech.

It seems like harassment should be enough to expell someone even before this statement.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by jacobsenscott »

Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

Wow. not "forgetting about slavery" is tearing the country apart? You are so far down the racist q-anon rabbit hole, I doubt you can see your way out. The US is today, and always has been deeply racist. That didn't end when slavery ended. The main forces tearing this country apart today are white nationalists who were so freaked out that cops started being held accountable for modern day lynchings that they are trying to overthrow the government.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by abruzzi »

oxfeed65261 wrote: post #381
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

"If those students can be identified..." It sounds from the statement that they don't know who they are at this point. This sounds to me like an initial statement before a full investigation has completed. I would also say that for the rights of other students, there should be some kind of fair process to ensure that the accused are fairly treated.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by montblanc »

kiba wrote: post #462
montblanc wrote: post #396

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everything is measured by economic success. Liberal democracy is a value in of itself not just for financial gain. Could be that the Chinese system is better economically, who knows. But to me it sounds very alien to live there - I wouldn't want to. They don't align with most of my values. Now, present America which is fast becoming eaten by radicals may also become not aligned with my values at some point (at th…

It's hard to know if the information we get out of China is reasonably accurate, for a given value of 'reasonably accurate'. It seems that the Chinese has problem with rampant cheating by both authorities and corporations, leading to many projects that seems impressive at first but are of questionable quality.

For sure. The lack of transparency is a given in an authoritarian regime and I'm sure there are consequences. Isn't Covid a good example? Chinese scientists who tried to ring the alarm where harassed or worse when the whole outbreak was beginning. Kinda reminds me of what happened in Chernobyl.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by elteto »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #395
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

The administration can’t ban these students because they need the money from these students to keep their jobs.

Purdue isn't going to go bankrupt because of 200 students.
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