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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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The world wide web is only 28 years old. We've had computers for 76 years at this point. We're discussing this topic in modern English, but if you look back 500 years William Shakespeare wouldn't be born for another couple of generations: vocabulary and grammar have changed a lot since then, and if you look back a further 500 years (to 1021AD) the "English" spoken in those days was a lot closer to Frisian than anythi…

Where are you getting 28 years old from?

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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s still intelligible, though. One thousand years is about the accepted timeframe for a language to be no longer mutually intelligible for speakers at either end of that period. Of course, it’s entirely possible the rate of change within a language is not static over millennia.

...but the world wasn't a global village back then. A thousand years on, the world may look more similar than diverse, and less divergent / more convergent than it did over a similar time frame in the past?

It very well might. The extraordinary ways we’re able to preserve knowledge might slow the rate of change, or perhaps increasing interconnectedness between different cultures will accelerate the rate of change.

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Probably unpopular answer: you could store your messages to the future in the op_return field of a series of small bitcoin transactions. I wouldn't recommend making this the only egg in your basket but I think there is a non-zero probability the blockchain history will be preserved even if the currency isn't used any longer, kind of like how you can still go see Song dynasty paper currency from 1,000 years ago.

do it with ethereum or some other blockchain in a single tx

Apparently, Ethereum is going to get rid of the proof-of-work chain history when it turns completely proof-of-stake.

"The new chain is not going to hold information from what happened in the Ethereum chain before the merge" [1]

[1] minute 1:31:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW0QZmtbjvs

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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I would also add the social element - if you want your kids and grandkids to be able to read it, pass custody of the website well before you die (perhaps in a will?) and tell as many friends and family as you can. I know I would happily administer a deceased friend's website until i could no longer myself.

But who will administer the site after you pass? It's much harder to justify the administering effort, when you never even knew the original guy.

In where I live, there's a sweet wine made from a grape from greece, which recipe and genetics has been conserved for a few hundred years because one rich guy stated so in his will, so he gave away a building (was an hospital, now a museum), and in exchange, their heirs must recieve 2 boxes of 6 bottles of such wine each year, or otherwise the building lease is off.

Something like that might work

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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post #454

The world wide web is only 28 years old. We've had computers for 76 years at this point. We're discussing this topic in modern English, but if you look back 500 years William Shakespeare wouldn't be born for another couple of generations: vocabulary and grammar have changed a lot since then, and if you look back a further 500 years (to 1021AD) the "English" spoken in those days was a lot closer to Frisian than anythi…

Where are you getting 28 years old from?

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Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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I recall some scifi where some Diety/SuperAI left 'commandments' for humanity carved into giant monuments made of diamond. I presume that was considered the only thing that would survive deep time.

There was an interesting article online a few years back, can't find it now. It claimed that humans can't make anything that will last more that 16 million years. This includes any kind of nuclear pollution. Sure we might get lucky like Jurassic fossils, but not intentionally.

My favorite weird theory is the "Siluran hypothesis," which states that our industrial revolution was not the first. There are some events in sediment that look like what our industrial revolution will look like. (many millions of years ago, so yes, reptiles)

Re: Ask HN: Best way to host a website for 500 years?

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Not sure if you intentionally missunderstood, but the point was, that you probably would be able to make some sense of 1000 year old english, but that is about the border. It depends on the culture of course. There are old cultures with the same references like a bible, that might cover longer timeframes of understanding.

Ah, my apologies. I could be clearer. It was curious for that comment to refer to _mutual intelligibility_ for people on either side of a 1000 year period. It's a lot easier to ask whether contemporary humans can understand 1000 year old language, than to ask whether humans 1000 years ago can understand contemporary language.

I think it’s fair to assume that if we can’t understand them, they probably couldn’t understand us.

Yes, they’re long gone so it doesn’t really matter.

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