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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by monoideism »

reducesuffering wrote: post #247
monoideism wrote: post #202

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> See, it's as if the US military trains soldiers how to hide in the Appalachian, raid local villages, and steal food and ammunition from trucks, You should hang out near Fort Bragg sometime. The Special Forces train exactly as you describe. Also of note: most of them are very unhappy with the way things are going in the US. I disagree with them frequently, but they also have some good points.

What are their complaints with "the way things are going in the US?"

They are very upset with what they see as growing authoritarianism from the government -- particularly wrt many covid interventions. (for what it's worth, I mostly disagree but I do see signs of growing authoritarianism among many on both the left and right)

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by nverno »

rkk3 wrote: post #432
KorematsuFredt wrote: post #413

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I have a very simple litmus test. In how many countries can you openly (with lots of publicity) organize "Draw a Muhammad" or "Burn the bible" events.

Along that line of thinking it's now illegal to burn the US flag.

No, it is legal to burn the US flag assuming it's your flag (in the United States)

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Post by treeman79 »

KorematsuFredt wrote: post #239
sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

PS: I am strong supporter of Gun rights and proud gun owner. I fully agree with anti-gun crowd that having vast majority of guns in hands of citizens (legally or illegally) leads to more deaths. USA's comparison with Angola is actually more serious than the numbers tell you because you need to realize that USA has far better medical response and doctors trained to handle gunshot wounds. So to truly compare Angola and…

Situations like China effectively exterminating populations they don’t like are why gun rights are so important. Order men to re-education camps and forcing their women to sleep in same bed as police/watchdogs gets a lot less appealing if the woman can shoot their government mandated rapist.

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Post by Throwawayaerlei »

ch4s3 wrote: post #161
sharklazer wrote: post #88

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Lawful use: 600k-2.5m per year. Gun deaths per year: ~40k. A lot of those being suicide.

I don't have any particular interest here, as I'm quite ambivalent about guns but the 600k-2.5m is hotly debated and comes from phone surveys. The CDC cites Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence (2013)[1] when reporting that number. The source says it may actually be as low as 100k uses per year. [1] https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3?term=defensive#15

Funny thing, the first study was done by a gun control group, and long before shall issue concealed carry made self-defense a lot more common by allowing it outside the house. Their number, which did not include a person using a gun more than once a year: about a million.

But it doesn't matter, it's an unalienable right enshrined in the Constitution, "and if it saves just one life...."

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Post by garmaine »

chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

> The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight.

Fight...whom? How? A gun is a very blunt instrument. If you want to learn how to defend yourself, take a self-defense class and buy something non-lethal like mace.

Why is a gun necessary for self-defense?

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Post by pasabagi »

mattcwilson wrote: post #392
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #339

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>The US is not that bad compared to other New World countries. Yeah, I'd add that France doesn't have a long, porous border with the developing world. Nor nearly as much heterogeneity in its population.

Not sure why you're being downvoted. These are facts about France vs. the U.S. Maybe "developing" is a /little/ strong for Mexico, but I take your point to be more about Central America generally.

Because it's nonsense. Until the 60's, Algeria was literally part of France. It's an extremely diverse country.

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Post by leephillips »

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #454
leephillips wrote: post #162

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Really? Show us the link for yesterday’s occurrence.

Indeed. Given that a toddler isn't capable of "murder," we're talking accidents. Of which there were 486 lethal ones in the US in 2019, the last year for which the CDC has collated the data. Pretty sure there were more than 121 lethal accidents caused by people older than toddlers. Hint: stop digging, admit you're wrong.

The actual rate of gun deaths caused a toddler (age [1]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/14/peopl...

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Post by jdkee »

neonbones wrote: post #355
sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

The rate of shooting in the USA was always strange to me. I'm from Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, the country that on hybrid "civil war" with Russia help for the militia. There are many ex-militaries from volunteers who go to volunteer battalions. And many of them return with guns. But even with a state like that, you probably won't hear any gunshots in cities in your life. The first time I heard on…

"Anyway, I also can't understand how any gangs are still alive in the USA in our time. Even my shittiest country eliminated all of them in the 90s, so are Russia and other CIS countries. You can find many documentation films about that on youtube. There is almost nothing left except massive graveyards of dead criminals with funny grave tomb pictures like "sitting in my first Mercedes Benz with a gun, cool guy.""

The U.S. has the rule of law, due process, innocent until proven guilty, etc.

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Post by bequanna »

simonh wrote: post #447
chmod600 wrote: post #73

There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The idea that people should not have to give up all of their ability to fight. The idea that people should not be entirely dependent on police for their defense. And the idea that physically weaker people (often women) can defend themselves against the strong. Does this idea work? Surprisingly well. If you had to guess the…

I do not at all accept that guns empower the weak. We can see all over the world they are a massive force multiplier for criminals, the violent and the murderous. Guns are only potent in the hands of those willing and able to use violence. For those unwilling to do so, they are massively disenfranchising. They essentially tilt the balance of power in society decisively in favour of those most willing to kill, and mos…

> It hands an implicit veto on opinion to the violent. Utterly shameful.

Except that isn’t how it has worked in the US at all. Can weapons be used to intimidate and coerce? Of course. But we’re civilized. We have freedoms and we are protected from unlawful force by lawful force.

Speech is virtual limitless. Non violent protest has and will continue to be a fruitful avenue of change.

Self reliance and individual empowerment are the core values of the United States. I can’t think of many things more important than being able to protect my family and my property.

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